I'll take this under consideration and see if I can verify it independantly.
What else can you ask of me?
Some questions, though....
These people seem to be fighting over the same piece of land, where the
jewish Temple once stood, and where a Muslim Mosque now stands. This land,
of course bacame Holy during Bible times and presumably this is when the
"issues" began....?
Christians are also "People of the Book." Yet these terrorists have no
problem with attacking civilians of a (mostly, of course) Christian nation...
Bit generalization here, I know.
Many of the countries in the Middle East can trace their origins back to the
house of Abraham, where there was quite a bit of conflict. Might this be an
additional source of trouble? (My OT Bible knowledge is rather thin, btw.)
You mention that Muslims in Indonesia don't have a problem with Israel, and
by extension, the US. I have friends in Indonesia and was very concerned
when some extreemist bombed that nightclub. They seem like they do, indeed,
have problems with us.
Any suggestions on how to get "around" the US propaganda engine. I think for
myself, but I need facts.
I didn't swallow nothing. <grin>
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 02:33 pm, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against
> Israel and the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies
> since Bible times..."
>
> OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of "facts" that lead to
> fairly easy (though erroneous) conclusions.
>
> Let's have some history here. The "Muslims" have not been at war
> against the "Israelites" since Biblical times. That is completely
> wrong. Hell, there haven't been any "Israelites" for nearly two
> millenia.
>
> This doesn't mean there haven't been plenty of Jewish people spread
> throughout the Middle East. These Jewish people, known as "Sephardic
> Jews", have lived and STILL live in places like Iran, Iraq, Yemen,
> Morroco, and throughout the Middle East. These people have lived in
> relative harmony for centuries (technically, according to the Koran,
> they are "people of the book" and are not to be bothered). And in most
> of these countries (eg, Iran) it is very hard to determine who is
> Jewish and who is not...the practices and so on are very similar in
> swome cases to the point of being indistinguishable in certain
> contexts (my recently immigrated Iranian Jewish friend once told me
> that one major difference between Jews and Muslims is that Jewish
> women are allowed to show their real hair until they are married, but
> do not do so in Iran in obedience to Muslim law.)
>
> What is not often appreciated here in the US is that the Ashkenazi,
> European-descent Jewish folks 1) Don't look semitic 2) Come from
> Europe 3) Come armed and money-ed by their friends the US, who by wild
> coincident need LOTS and LOTS of oil for their giant, gas-guzzling
> nation of suburbs and SUVs. The "war" between Muslims and Israel is
> perceived by them as a war against western imperialism, and by (what
> they believe to be) "fake" non-semitic Jews. (Let's not argue the
> veracity of these statements, but I would ask that you take me word
> that this is a common perception among educated people in the region,
> including some Jews!--read the Chomsky quote.)
>
> And again, let us remember that Muslims in China, or Indonesia (two of
> the biggest Muslim nations) consider the question of Israel a
> non-question. It's not something that really has anything to do with
> them.
> What we are seeing, then, is not a religious "war" or issue here. It's
> one of pure local politics, economics, and imperialism that our media
> (as well as some Muslim extremist groups I admit) have painted as a
> religious one. And why? Because our Media have allowed themselves to
> become merely another propaganda arm of our government and armed
> forces (which are practically the same thing in the US).
>
> Sorry Mike, I can't help bu think you swallowed some stuff hook, line,
> and sinker.
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