[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I know of no way to lend support to the idea that government in general
> needs good leadership -- history shows that particular governments
> (namely, those that mankind has managed erect) suffer from bad
> leadership.
> 
> OTOH, I will admit that humanity is fairly new to the game..
> widespread experiments in government outside of monarchy are a fairly new
> development (and still not COMPLETELY widespread, of course).
> 
> Maybe some smart guy will manage to come up with an idea that could
> survive a bunch of crooks here and there.

I think the romans did. they finally lost the fight and state, but it
lasted for quite a long time, didn't it? and survived a whole bunch of
crooks.

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