2018-07-23 8:23 GMT+02:00 Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de>: > Ben Hutchings - 23.07.18, 02:34: >> On Sun, 2018-07-22 at 23:34 +0200, Romain Bignon wrote: >> > On 22/Jul - 13:14, Geoffrey Thomas wrote: >> > > And, as far as I know, everyone who's replied on this thread >> > > (myself >> > > included) is a man - so I think we should be particularly careful >> > > with "it doesn't bother me." >> > >> > You're right, that's strange that all this men want to tell what is >> > accepted or not by women. I find it infantilizing for them. >> >> Sadly, the Debian community is still almost entirely male. Those >> women that are here may be afraid to speak up, because they see what >> happens to women with opinions on the Internet. > > It would be good if women involved in the Debian project would speak up > here. Of course I understand any hesitance to do so. I felt hesitance > myself often enough, even as what is usually called male.
I won't speak for anyone else than me, so I won't claim to know why others haven't stepped in into this discussion. We have been through similar situations many times, so we kind of know what to expect from them, particularly when upstream is apparently trolling on purpose to see how far they can go until someone complains. Stepping up and publicly complaining about these situations generally leads to some kind of harassment and the usual accusations of oversentitiveness, not being able to develop a thick skin, restricting freedom of speech in such a way that one might think that fixing the issue would immediately lead to a tyrannical totalitarian dystopia, etc. I am not keen on enduring all that usually comes to us when talking out loud in these situations that, honestly, I think are intentionally crafted to burn us out until we eventually stop complaining out of tiredness. In my opinion, the messages should be clean up so that they are not intentionally aggressive against any social group, and the binaries should be renamed to more useful and less provocative names. The reasons have been perfectly explained in previous emails, so I won't repeat them. And, be aware that, if the messages and binary names stay as they are, they will probably be a reference to support the argument of us not being too welcoming, so we might as well have an argumentative ready to explain it when confronted about it. But I'm not gonna start a fight out of this, because I know what is coming, and I also feel that it is what upstream wants in the same place. I have the feeling that none of us really wants to be the target of the retaliations. At least not me, sorry. Greetings, Miry