>Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> Without this exception, if the DFSG were followed literally, most >> license texts could not be shipped in Debian and would have to be >> shipped alongside Debian instead, which would be very annoying. >
MJ Ray wrote: >Most? I thought most licence texts were covered by themselves, being >shipped as part of the software, You're correct; although that is implicit permission, not explicit. I was wrong; "most" is incorrect. That should be fixed. How about "Several important license texts"? > but we can't modify the ones shipped >in debian because we need to accurately pass on the permissions given >to users. Right. I was very careful with my proposed text: the emphasis on derivative works makes it clear that it's the ability to create new license texts which is important here. >AFAIK, the few which have different terms for modifying the licence >rather than the rest of the software (such as the GPL) come with >explicit permission to modify. Here, you're *wrong*. The preamble to the GPL must be included with all copies -- but the separate permission to modify does not extend to the preamble. Likewise the LGPL. The Academic Free License does not have permission to modify. The LaTeX Project Public License does not have permission to modify. >> Historically, this exception has been an unwritten assumption; [...] >Has it? I've seen a few people write down this assumption, but I've >usually disagreed with them. There you go, Wouter. :-) >We don't need this exception. It would allow another way for people >to argue for including non-free software in debian ('but it's part of >the licence'), just like some use the current non-free logo licences >to argue for inclusion of their non-free logos. We've already *got* non-free software in Debian, namely the license texts above. In fact people are already arguing exactly what you said. This would simply be more honest about it. Care to craft another solution? I don't think we actually want to go to the trouble of kicking those license texts out. (If however you'd like to devise a technical scheme for detached licenses, living alongside the .debs and .tar.gzs rather than in them, that would be great. It would also require a change to policy, of course.) I also think (from experience) that it's going to be a very long slog to get the license text licenses changed (commentary on this is in the GPLv3 comments system but being ignored), and that the opinion of Debian that they should be changed, as expressed in the DFSG, would help with that. The current situation is dishonest (or, to be polite, "misleading") to Debian's users, and it should be fixed. I have proposed a compromise which I consider akin to the patch clause compromise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]