On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 05:19:46PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 02:23:08PM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 > > > Bob Holtzman <hol...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > > > > > Patrick Bartek <nemomm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on > > > > > > 15 April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. > > > > > > Google, as announced months ago, finally ceased support for > > > > > > its browser on Wheezy. I double checked just to be sure, and > > > > > > in the course of that check also discovered "official" Debian > > > > > > support for Wheezy will cease in a little over a week on 26 > > > > > > April 2016 -- just 3 years after its release. However, it > > > > > > will automatically enter LTS until 2018 at which time all > > > > > > support ceases and EOL "officially" occurs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe, > > > > > > Devuan will be viable by then, but I doubt it. Or Debian will > > > > > > offer a choice of inits as a standard option during installs > > > > > > on future releases, but I very much doubt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a rock solid Debian based system with no systemd - > > > > > check out Antix distribution. > > > > > > > > There is no mail list, only a forum. It shows systemd in it's > > > > package list. > > > > > > > > > > Available if you want it in the repos - not installed. Read the > > > forum notes, it is designed as non-systemd. > > > > It may well be designed as non-systemd but the systend package is > > still listed. Why? The lack of a mail list still remains AFAICT. > > Certain systemd libraries are dependencies for things like GNOME or > udev. So, even if you're using an init other than systemd's which can > be totally absent from the system, you still need some parts of it > for some things to work. One of the reasons so many disapprove of it.
Got it. Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.
