I'm close to finish a reporting tool that will send out a daily notification to the local recipient if new messages was hold on the mailserver with a final weight slightly above the hold weight (up to now we review this messages regulary and can find an average of one false positive each day by around 15k delivered messages)
 
The notification contains only a link to a webpage where the user can see his hold messages and klick on it to requeue them.
 
I'm curios what my customers will consider "not spam"  :-)
 
Markus
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: How to define "spam" and "ham"

This was the subject of a recent off-list discussion between myself and Pete where there was a perception that my definition of spam was too conservative or rather my definition of ham was too liberal.  While I readily admit that in practice, I do personally wish to block many fewer things that I consider to be legitimate first-party advertising than most do, I don't necessarily get the impression that the definitions that I use are all that much off the mark.  I have also found that the folks at BondedSender think that I am some sort of anti-advertising zealot for reporting what is near universally what we would consider to be spam, so it does go both ways :)  So I wanted to throw this topic out for some feedback and other presentations of one's own definitions and maybe learn something in the process.

First off, I naturally follow the basic definition of spam that is widely promoted where spam is both unsolicited and bulk.  What causes such wide derivation from this common definition however is the sub-definition of what constitutes unsolicited, and the gray area that exists beyond this definition due to abuse.

The definition that I use to qualify advertising or newsletter related ham is as follows:
This definition starts with me treating things as ham if it comes from a first-party relationship with the sender, however there are some exceptions as follows:
  1. Evidence of the first-party having harvested significant numbers of recipients in the list, i.e.: Reunion(dot)com.
  2. Refusal to honor opt-outs.
  3. Having no opt-out mechanism for repeated E-mails that are advertising related.
  4. Third-party ads being sent by first-party source when they are not the primary reason for a membership, example: Sportsline's partner specials
  5. Very widespread abuse of a particular direct-marketing provider where most customers of a service are spamming, example: Uptilt.
  6. Selling subscriber lists from one otherwise legitimate site to spammers or brokering lists for spamming, example: many joke sites.

It's my belief that many would consider this definition to be agreeable (please speak up if you don't), however I am near certain that in practice there is a good amount of derivation from this even among those that would at least initially agree with the above.

The issue of applying this in practice to me means that I try not to apply my own emotions or judgments of value to a particular sender.  This means that I treat advertising from J.Crew just the same on my system as E-mail from Orbitz, though I personally find Orbitz and most other travel sites to be annoying with their frequency and low in value to the recipient.  The trick here is that I have found no evidence of harvesting from either source, and they both practice default-opt-in to their newsletters from their customer-base, and they both seemingly honor opt-outs, so the only difference that I perceive is the subject matter of the E-mails.  I have found that many administrators will blacklist Orbitz and even report them to SpamCop, while this is less commonly the case with J.Crew.  So the determining factor that is often used regardless of a stated or intended definition appears to be a value judgment placed on the content of the E-mails, either consciously or unconsciously.  Would anyone agree or disagree with this perception?

One last note: personally I find the industry standard practice of default-opt-in for customer lists to be disturbing, but if one was to consider that alone as a qualifier of spam, over 99% of advertising messages that pass my definition above would fail the much tighter definition of double-opt-in for requesters only.  Since this has become the standard practice in the entire industry, I allow for it just so long as they follow my rules since I definitely have customers (including myself) that do wish to receive some of what is sent to me without initially requesting it, and my customers have the power to opt-out and report any abuse to me for appropriate action.

Please add your comments or even your own definitions.

Thanks,

Matt
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