I guess I meant that I don't foresee roadmap discussions having a hard 
requirement of CEP for all goals we might discuss, though it would probably be 
expected that many of the biggest proposals would already at least have a 
minimal CEP to be filed, you're right. 

Certainly if an advanced CEP exists I hadn't meant to exclude it, I more meant 
that the CEP process is quite involved and spans the lifetime of the work, and 
a roadmap helps the project decide on goals irrespective of a CEP, and helps 
resource a CEP early in its lifecycle.

On 01/03/2021, 11:15, "Mick Semb Wever" <m...@apache.org> wrote:

    >
    > I think of a roadmap as a pre-CEP activity for upcoming releases, items
    > thereon beginning the CEP process, …
    >


    What about having it the other way around? That the roadmap is a
    visualisation of the CEPs, i.e. those past initial triage that have initial
    commitment and momentum. A reflective approach of the roadmap, just a
    visualisation of existing processes, prevents the adding of a new process
    to the community. It will also incentivise the thoroughness of new CEPs.

    The benefit of having the roadmap as a separate manual process pre-CEP
    might save us the cost of creating CEPs that get rejected, but I can't see
    that actually being a problem for us.

    +1 to having the roadmap, in any form.



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