+1 It’s been quite a journey!
Yan On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 7:49 PM Vinod Kone <vinodk...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi Rich, > > Thanks for chiming in and providing your perspective. > > Charles already did a great job summarizing some of the current sentiments > in the community above. I wanted to add a couple more points based on my > discussions with folks in the community and PMC. > > Yes, there are some folks who are still interested in making some (minor) > contributions but for that they just need a single repo to collaborate on. > ASF has been a great home and steward for the Mesos project, but at this > stage in its lifecycle, Mesos project could actually benefit from an ultra > lightweight process and collaboration model. A public GitHub repo with > requisite permissions for collaborators would serve these purposes well > compared to the ASF process (PMC, voting, board reports etc). > > As an aside, would the ASF Board have any issue with the community forking > the project and collaborating at https://github.com/mesos/mesos ? > > Thanks, > Vinod > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:01 PM Samuel Marks <sam...@offscale.io> wrote: > > > Who runs this one? https://github.com/mesos > > > > Samuel Marks > > Charity <https://sydneyscientific.org> | consultancy < > https://offscale.io> > > | open-source <https://github.com/offscale> | LinkedIn > > <https://linkedin.com/in/samuelmarks> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:42 AM Charles-François Natali < > > cf.nat...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Rich, > > > > > > FWIW, I'm one of those people who said they were interested, and I > > > still voted to move it to the attic (even though my vote is non > > > binding as I'm not a committer). > > > > > > Initially I also thought that we could try to revive it within the > > > ASF, but it quickly became clear that *none* of the current committers > > > is willing to go down that route, i.e. put in the effort needed to > > > onboard new committers. And without that, there's just no way forward. > > > Various people voiced other concerns as well, such as viability of the > > > project when other alternatives like Kubernetes exist, lack of clear > > > technical direction for the future, etc. > > > While they're relevant questions, I think currently they don't really > > > make sense since the current Mesos community is basically dead. > > > Finally, I think that the project should be moved to the Attic de > > > facto because AFAICT the Apache rules require at least 3 *active* > > > committers, and that's definitely not the case. > > > > > > However I still do believe in the project for the reasons I outlined > > > in some of the previous threads, and I'm still interested in > > > contributing: I just think that the current structure of the project > > > is not suited for that anymore. And to be honest, I just want to move > > > on, I'm tired of those endless discussions - it's been almost 2 months > > > since the first thread stared, and nothing happened. > > > > > > It's a shame that we won't be able to continue using > > > https://github.com/apache/mesos though, as it creates a much higher > > > barrier to continuing the project. > > > > > > However if that's really not possible, then I guess that leaves no > > > other option: once the vote has passed, I guess I'll start a final > > > thread to gather people who'd be interested to create a new project > > > forked off master on github, so we can start from scratch with our own > > > repository, bug tracker etc. I hope those people who said they're > > > actually interested will be willing to take an active part. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le mer. 7 avr. 2021 à 02:50, Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> a écrit : > > > > > > > > I hope y'all can forgive me for sticking my nose in, as a concerned > > > member. Color me confused by this vote. > > > > > > > > A month ago, on this same list - > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r307db648e201182fcf39b0de63ba224b94965501e20e6cbcecc085e4%40%3Cdev.mesos.apache.org%3E > > > - Qian asked who was still interested in keeping the project going. SIX > > > people responded that, given the chance, they'd step up and keep it > > going. > > > > > > > > Around that same time - > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/raed89cc5ab78531c48f56aa1989e1e7eb05f89a6941e38e9bc8803ff%40%3Cdev.mesos.apache.org%3E > > > - Vinod observed that the too-high barrier to granting committer rights > > has > > > been a major factor in the slowdown of the project. > > > > > > > > And yet, y'all are voting to attic the project. > > > > > > > > So, again, it's not my project, and I don't have a vote here, but the > > > reason the Board asks projects to have these attic conversations on the > > Dev > > > list is *specifically* so that interested people can say, hey, don't > > attic > > > it, we'll take it from here. Which six people, plus Qian, have done. > > > > > > > > Maybe it's time to lower the barrier to entry, and let these willing > > > people take the project forward, do so. The Board can work out the > picky > > > little details of re-forming the PMC, if that's a difficulty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from mobile
