Hi Pierre If you use a 3rd party crm solution you wouldn't use the sfa application. > If you use a 3rd party HRM solution, you wouldn't use humanres.
Following this line of thinking, let's consider this ridiculous hypothetical scenario: - 3rd Party Accounting App; - 3rd Party HR; - 3rd Party SFA; - 3rd Party Catalog Management; - 3rd Party CMS; - etc What would be Ofbiz's Value Proposition in this case? There are core applications that users expect to find in an ERP OOTB. Gavin On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > How we have it now is a viewpoint. A viewpoint that you may not or may > agree with. > > If you don't have anything to do with manufacturing or fixed assets or > workefforts or calendars, because you're operating a (fairly) simple retail > shop and use OFBiz, you currently don't have the option disable these > without developer work. > > If you use a 3rd party crm solution you wouldn't use the sfa application. > If you use a 3rd party HRM solution, you wouldn't use humanres. > > In other threads it has been said or implied that OFBiz isn't a single > vertical solution. The total package reflects that. But we have to offer > more optionality. Manufacturing is not core to all. SFA is not core to all. > Humanres is not core to all. Having these in the applications folder > implies that is not optional. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Gavin Mabie <kwikst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The passport component is an optional. So is the e-commerce component > and > > > almost everything else is. > > > > > > Not sure about this. > > > > Where apps should be placed is matter of viewpoint. And we have > viewpoints > > > aplenty. Some regard e-commerce to be a core (framework + application > > > stack) extension > > > > > > Should it be a matter of viewpoint? Clearly, there must be a standard > > approach. Ofbiz is an ERP system first and foremost and as such should > > have the typical ERP functionalities as applications (as it does now). > > *Application Stack*: Accounting, Manufacturing and or Distribution, CRM, > HR > > and Payroll, Inventory, Marketing and Sales etc. should be under the > > application stack as a minimum. These aren't optional. > > *Technology Stack*: Technologies without which these cannot be > implemented > > go under the Framework/Technology stack. > > *Special Purpose*: Project Management, e-Commerce, Hospitality, Brewing? > > IMHO special purpose should not be used for third party > > technologies/integration. > > *Tools/Plugins*: BIRT, DotNet, eBay, OAuth2, Lucene, Solr etc. > > > > Regards > > > > Gavin > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > The passport component is an optional. So is the e-commerce component > and > > > almost everything else is. There are some dependencies from components > in > > > the applications and framework stacks to specifics in the special > purpose > > > stack (birt, ldap - when applied and lucene?). But those are few, and > we > > > can live with as these few enhance the functionality of the lower level > > > components and thus user experience. > > > > > > Where apps should be placed is matter of viewpoint. And we have > > viewpoints > > > aplenty. Some regard e-commerce to be a core (framework + application > > > stack) extension. In its current state it is part of a vertical to. > > Retail > > > in particular, as it isn't a complete front-end solution for B2B > > (multiple > > > verticals), B2G (ambiguous vertical) and marketplaces (again multiple > > > verticals). If you don't do manufacturing, shouldn't the same named > > > component not be an optional and thus not in applications. If you do > HRM > > > but don't use the humanres component, shouldn't that component be > better > > of > > > in the special purpose stack stack without being referenced in the > > > component-load.xml file. > > > > > > The special purpose stack is a good place for any application/component > > but > > > the base registers in the applications stack. We should consider to > make > > as > > > many as possible optional in that stack, by removing its reference in > the > > > aforementioned component-load.xml. As it would surely reduce server > load. > > > And we would give adopters a choice. Not only before adopting, but also > > > during the lifespan. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Gavin Mabie <kwikst...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Jacques > > > > > > > > My concern is about the proper use of the specialpurpose folder. > Birt > > is > > > > IMO not a special purpose application, but rather a tool that can be > > used > > > > across applications, and so is Lucene. Additionally, these are > optional > > > > functionalities and therefore non-core. My thinking is that if > > something > > > is > > > > optional, non-core and not a special implementation of the framework, > > > then > > > > it should go into this folder. So I agree that BIRT and Lucene are > > > > candidates for inclusion in this folder (my knowledge of OAGIS is > > sketchy > > > > at best). BTW I'm not to sure about calling it "Tools". "Plugins" > is > > > the > > > > term that is widely used for this sort of thing. > > > > > > > > Gavin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > > > > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Gavin, > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, so you would suggest to create a new tools folder at > the > > > > same > > > > > level of dependency than specialpurpose and to add this new > passport > > > > > Component to it. > > > > > Then we could also move ldap. I thought about jetty also, but I > will > > > > > rather open a new thread for that since we decided to discuss to > move > > > it > > > > to > > > > > Attic > > > > > > > > > > Do you (everybody ;)) see other components which could me moved to > > this > > > > > new tools folder? Maybe bi, birt, oagis, even lucene? > > > > > > > > > > Jacques > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 21/03/2015 08:32, Gavin Mabie a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jacques > > > > >> > > > > >> I know that there's been quite a bit of discussion about this and > I > > > > don't > > > > >> want to rehash stuff that's been dealt with and agreed upon in the > > > past > > > > - > > > > >> but is this really a special purpose component? It appears to be a > > > > >> tool/utility. Special purpose components should really be for > > special > > > > >> applications of the Ofbiz Framework, i.e. applying the framework > in > > a > > > > >> special user or industry way. So for example, ecommerce is a > > special > > > > >> purpose component - it implements ofbiz in a user specific way. > > Ofiz > > > > >> Healh > > > > >> Care/Communications/Hospitality/Government/ etc would be industry > > > > special > > > > >> purpose components. > > > > >> > > > > >> Gavin > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Pierre Smits < > > pierre.sm...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Might indeed be interesting for a increase in the consumer area > and > > > not > > > > >>> the > > > > >>> back end (but with market places and that tendency might shift). > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> It seems there are some security concerns. See here: > > > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth#OAuth_2.0. Yet the list of > > > > providers > > > > >>> is > > > > >>> impressive. > > > > >>> And I have look over the issue and wonder if we really need the > > gson > > > > and > > > > >>> paypal jars. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best regards, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Pierre Smits > > > > >>> > > > > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > >>> Services and Retail & Trade > > > > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > > > > >>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Shi Jinghai contributed a Passport Component for OAuth2 at > > > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6135 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> It seems to me an interesting specialpurpose component to add. I > > > will > > > > do > > > > >>>> so if nobody is against. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Jacques > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >
