Above the question was raised how much/good of a base the Jolla community is, I think the simple fact that Jolla started with crowd-funding (The First One, remember?) shows that they have a strong and passionate community willing to back them.
I did not buy a tablet for the simple reason that I did not see any value in a tablet when I have a phone and a laptop on me all the time, I was provided a tablet through a program I am currently in and that has made me change my mind a bit but by now even if I want I can't buy it, the same goes for OH (where is the Angry Birds OH? Stella doesn't count because you can't get it without a phone), extra batteries and a ton of other things that could have generated some 'cheap' revenue but were never done. As said above now that Jolla essentially canceled the Jolla2 (by saying they won't do hw development anymore) it doesn't make sense for me to buy another OH because I have no way of know how much ROI I will get in the form of being able to use it in the future. I have no problem with Jolla having a feature bounty program where the community can steer what features are important to them and I have no problem with Jolla saying "Please help us" in some crowd funding campaign, I may not even want a T-shirt in return but to go from there to a subscription system for updates to me is completely in-culpable. If Jolla were to take a more Open Source approach to software development they would also find that the cost of development would probably be lower after all there are all kinds of basic functions that community members have gone and added in the past (keyboards, calendar localization, translations etc.) that actually allow the phone to be sold in markets that would otherwise just not touch it because they can't type/read their local language. I have no idea how much time and effort it cost to add the calendar localization in SFOS2 (yes it's finally there, I don't need to patch it anymore!) and I really hope that they did use my patches because otherwise that is a great example of how money is wasted on re-developing features done by the community which just need QA. I don't believe that Jolla would be in severe danger from being all Open Source just look at Red Hat and other big Linux players it can work not only that the dirt-cheap Chinese players may copy the product but on the way they also expose the platform more and they may also both contribute back and have support contracts with Jolla. Anyhow I hope that Jolla pulls through and am waiting to see either another crowd funding campaign or some other form of cash generation, have you considered selling shares to the community? Or after all developing a Jolla2? Regards, Eli 2015-11-27 11:46 GMT+02:00 Ruediger Schiller <chem...@dostortugas.org>: > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:28:17AM +0000, Peter Kovacs wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am not able to join on next community meeting due to work restrictions > I > > have. So I can not propose a topic. I am instead post my thoughts > directly > > to this list. > > I think no 1 topic is to stabilise Dev efforts for SailfishOS. > > I do not believe to simply put sailfish in multiple places will ensure > its > > existance. This would only be the case if SailfishOS would open source > it's > > Software. This would be the death of Jolla in my eyes at this point. > > > > I see rather a better strategy in a business model change. Instead of > > trying to sell the OS to big companies sell the OS to your community. > > Selling it to bigger companies is the actual way to earn a lot of money. > > > I think the crowed funding method was quite successful. So I propose > > another Crowed funding camagne. This has now to be a success. So I > propose > > something small. Like getting payment function into Jolla. > > Perks could be to get better conditions after the Shop is live. Maybe > 10% - > > 50% off. > > I do not know how much money you need to make add payment > functionallities > > and survive the next month) > > Won't generate enough revenue in this timeframe. > > > > > Another step could be to have a System suscription. This system > > subscription is made to ensure updates. It should not be much like 5-10 > > euros a month. Free of choice if possible, enforce if neccessary. I have > no > > feeling how close Jolla is to the death. > > You pay 260€ (now it is 200€ I know) to then pay another 120€ to get > upgrades? > > > I do like the Crowed funding mythology of star citizen. Most of them can > > not be reused. But in art of communication they are top. Maybe open up > your > > communication on development, would be great. > > > > I would also like to see more jolla stuff in the shop. I still want to > buy > > the external keyboard or the solar panel for jolla. Bit i still can not > > find those in the Jolla shop. This is also an income Jolla must > participate > > in. Sell those stuff even from third party developers in your shop. > > I refuse to buy from the third party directly because I know how much > jolla > > needs the money. > > > > Get the old hardware section of jolla to develop some more second half > > stuff. Like battery banks or 2nd phonecard connector. Maybe a mobility > hub > > for pcs. I do not know. > > How about another model, sell developer equipment. That could also go for a > kickstarter - PCcovers without NFCchip, plain blank covers for cheap in > packs of > 10 with a handfull of solderpins that fit the connectors or 10 circuit foil > sheets that can be soldered to your ideas. Still nothing that generates > revenue > fast but with a campaign and announcing a Jolla2 with the same TOH > dimensions > would give it some drive. Jolla2 announcing in terms of, if we survive we > will > do anotherone just like Jolla1 with improved hardware, coming 2017. On the > other > hand, doing a complete makeover of that sort is apart of more RAM and > bigger > mmc not even required. SFOS is now in a stae where any device vendor could > jump > in and generate a lot of revenue. No idea what google paid for their Nexus > phones but I guess the deal zeroed out in the end. > > > > > Sorry that this has nothing to do with development of source code. But I > > think this is not really time for dreaming of open Source. > > > > I know that you might not like this steps, but I think there is no chance > > in rearranging debts will lead you from the death valley you are in. > > That is only one way to get bankrupted fast. > > You must generate money quickly. That is the only way somebody will > > continue to invest into Jolla. And a credit is also an investment of > sort. > > > > This is an unpleasant message of sort. But jolla should focus on those > > people has already convinced. Apple did that in their beginning. I know > > some and they agree first iPhone were not very good. I think the sailfish > > has potential but currently this potential is limited to the community > you > > have. And this are the ones here who prepare their products for sailfish, > > and the ones who already spend money on the product. > > > > Please take a break from convincing people that can play Jolla against > > android, blackberry and iOS. You can return to that dream if you got out > of > > the valley. > > Truth is, they need more funds to actually get noticed by people that would > become a part of this community in a heartbeat. Just met a guy last week > who > bought an S6edge the other week and bit his hand when I told him what that > phone > and tablet on my table are. Looking at Apple, marketing is everything - > they > sold sour milk to cows and still do. Always fun seeing my iPhone and > Android > friends struggle with their phones. > > > > > I have time from 14th Dec till end of the year. I will participate then > in > > the meetings and bug you to various topics around Jolla. I hope this > helps. > > > > All the Best > > Peter > > > > Carol Chen <cybette+sailfis...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 26. Nov. 2015 > > 17:17: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks to everyone who attended today's meeting! Minutes/logs: > > > > > > Minutes: > http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.html > > > Minutes (text): > http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.txt > > > Log: > http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.log.html > > > > > > Next meeting will be on 2015-12-03 @ 14:30 UTC. Meeting Chair will be > > > Carsten Munk (Stskeeps). Please propose discussion topics at: > https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ > > > > > > If you propose a topic, it is expected that you show up and present it, > > > or have a substitute participate in the meeting. It is important that > > > you're present at the meeting to guide the discussions in the direction > > > you want, so we do not spend time guessing what kind of info/answers > you > > > may be looking for. > > > > > > NOTE: Propose your topic by Tuesday 1.12. Any topics added after that > > > will be considered for the following meeting. Carsten will send out > > > meeting invite with confirmed agenda before the meeting. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Carol > > > > > > -- > > > Carol Chen > > > cybette @ Freenode IRC > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > > > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to > > > devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to > devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org > > > so long and thanks for all the fish > > > Rüdiger Schiller > +--------------------------------------------+ > | +** * Chem|st * **+ | > | +****************************************+ | > | +****************************************+ | > +--------------------------------------------+ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to > devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org >
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