On January 17, 2023 11:01:39 PM UTC, Ian Clarke <i...@freenetproject.org> wrote:
>I greatly appreciate the work you and the other maintainers have put into
>Fred, which is why I took the time to listen to your concerns over the past
>18 months.
Is the a public place to review these, or FMS posts I have missed?
>
>The bottom line is that after hearing you out, I simply don't agree with
>you.
>
So you veto it?
>In particular, I do not believe that the proposed changes will harm Fred,
>but rather, Fred should get a significant boost from the attention Locutus
>will receive if we are successful. There is no question that there is risk,
>but there is risk in every decision.
>
>My primary concern is for the next generation, who may ask me in 30 years
>if I did everything in my power to keep the Internet a force for freedom
>rather than oppression. This has always been the core mission of Freenet,
>not any specific codebase or feature set. *We are losing this battle, and
>we need to take action before it is lost*. Nobody gets a veto over this,
>not even Fred's maintainers or members of the current user base, value them
>as I do.
>
I agree with you here, Locutus is needed to help fulfill the goals outlined
above.
>In my view and that of the board, Locutus is the best hope to achieve
>Freenet's mission, given everything I know in 2023. That's not to say that
>Locutus will replace Fred, it will not - because they serve different
>needs. But Fred is a 23-year-old codebase, and the world is very different
>from the world I saw when I started it, as is technology.
>
>I don't want conflict with you or the core maintainers, but the decision
>has been made.
Being authoritarian, especially in secret tends to cause conflict.
>
>Fighting it is only going to consume time, resources, emotion, and
>attention that distracts from the goals that I know drive all of us.
This is where I don't understand, and thus disagree.
Renaming Fred to Freenet Classic will take time and resources, as will renaming
Locutus to Freenet. It seems like a way to gather all the positive branding and
support the existing Freenet community has generated and built. Would it not be
better to also not confuse future users, they will probably stumble on outdated
references for years to come? This change seems counterproductive with very
limited benefit. I fail to see how keeping Locutus as Locutus is more risky and
less rewarding?
>
>Ian.
>
>On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:15 PM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_...@web.de>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Ian Clarke <i...@freenetproject.org> writes:
>> > You're speaking as if you speak on behalf of the Freenet community. Who
>> specifically are you speaking for and what gives you the ability to speak
>> for
>> > them?
>>
>> I share the sentiment. Steve spoke to me before sending this message,
>> and he also speaks for me, the release manager of Freenet. Also David,
>> Florent, and xor disagree strongly with the renaming plan. These are
>> most of the non-anonymous core developers of Freenet.
>>
>> And the actual Freenet community that communicates on Freenet via FMS
>> and Sone is absolutely enraged over this.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Arne
>>
>> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:46 PM Steve Dougherty <st...@asksteved.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm surprised. I'm not sure what to say, or what reaction you and the
>> > rest of the board expected.
>> >
>> > This is another demonstration of a complete disconnect between the board
>> > of FPI, and the community around Freenet. After giving up initial plans
>> > to name Locutus "Freenet 2" in the face of backlash, you and the rest of
>> > the board appear to now want still more of Freenet's brand recognition.
>> > The hope seems to be that the Freenet community, having not been
>> > consulted, and reasonably assumed to disagree, will undertake the effort
>> > to rename themselves the Freenet Classic community.
>> >
>> > I don't think this will happen. It would require buy-in, and it has
>> > none.
>> >
>> > - Steve
>>
>>
>> --
>> Unpolitisch sein
>> heißt politisch sein,
>> ohne es zu merken.
>> draketo.de
>>
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