On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 11:37, Xavier Brochard <xav...@alternatif.org> wrote: > > Very nice presentation, thanks.
Thank you! I am glad you liked it. > You've said in a previous paper thet there were really 2 desktop > paradigm on Linux, though many were invented. That is not really what I was getting at, no. What I was saying was that almost all Linux desktops are re-implementations of the Windows 95 desktop. There are a couple that are not, but they are still informed by it and borrow design elements from it, while just trying to do something different enough to not get sued. GNOME 3 is a confusing mess, to me. I do not see a coherent overall plan here. Unity is fairly straightforwardly inspired by Mac OS X. I've seen screenshots of the betas of GNOME 3 and the team seemed to borrow a lot from Unity, but it's 2nd hand -- GNOME 3 is not a take on the Mac OS X desktop itself. It's a de novo effort, with sime inspiration from Unity, and a lot from various mobile phones but notably iOS and early Android, with a strange set of keyboard controls assembled without much knowledge of how existing GUI keyboard controls worked. So, no, not really that there are 2 designs. There are: * a bunch of Win9x rip-offs * one Mac OS X rip-off (but using many more Windows keyboard controls (for clarity: a *good* thing!) * one confused mess which is sort of a mobile phone rip off ... and some very niche offerings, like Lomiri, which are not really complete enough to judge. All totally IMHO, of course! > In this regard, how did > you feel with GSDE ? was it consistent as a desktop paradigm? If Unity is a Mac OS X ripoff, then GSDE is a NeXTstep ripoff. :-) (With deep affection and respect here, for all 3!) As such... NeXTstep was quite coherent and whole. I do not know it well, I just admire it from afar. I find it weird and disorienting, but mostly quite coherent. GSDE is a good strong attempt to put the GNUstep bits together and integrate them. It has some issues -- context menus appearing offscreen, the wrong menu tree being shown and so on -- but it works surprisingly well for a v1.0 product. > how did > you feel with the scrollbars on the right and the menu on the left It works fairly well, for me. > (Steve Jobs thought that scrollbars on the left were more consistent) ? There is a good argument for that, but we're all used to something different now. Does that help? -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884 Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053