ST0 is a different country before and after they split. What if you
worked ST0 and they were operating from what is now South Sudan (but
which was Sudan before)? Which country did you really work, Sudan or
South Sudan?
Not in this case ... ST0 was a self-governing territory within Sudan.
It was deleted when the Sudanese central government and the regional
government reached an agreement to change status. That change in
status agreement included the right to a referendum for secession
after a period of time. The result of the referendum was an
overwhelming vote for independence in the south.
The government of the "new" South Sudan is the same government that
participated in the reconciliation and referendum process and the
"new" S. Sudan covers the same area as the former autonomous region.
Except for the fact that the DXCC rules say (Section II, DXCC List
Criteria):
"Entities deleted from the List may be returned to the List in
the future, should they qualify again in the future under these
criteria. However, an entity that does qualify again in the future
does so as a totally new Entity, not as a reinstated old one."
the secession of Southern Sudan from Sudan would simply mean the
reinstatement of the old (deleted) ST0.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
On 7/10/2011 9:25 AM, Ryan Jairam wrote:
It's not a matter of catching the same fish twice.
ST0 is a different country before and after they split. What if you worked
ST0 and they were operating from what is now South Sudan (but which was
Sudan before)? Which country did you really work, Sudan or South Sudan?
DXCC doesn't keep track of exact location within an entity, just that you
worked a particular entity. If the entity changes from what it was, you'll
need to work it again because that old entity no longer exists.
Let's say Texas annexes Northern Mexico and secedes from the USA. If you
worked USA contacts in Texas or northern Mexico, will they now be part of
the USA? No, they will not. Should you get credit for working those
entities? No because they did not exist as DXCC entities at that time.
Your total entity count does not go down, but the number on the current list
does. And it's the number on the current list that determines eligibility
for HR and #1HR.
Ryan, N2RJ
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Fred Stevens K2FRD<k2...@mac.com> wrote:
Yes, Bernie, there are several explanations for catching the same fish
twice. In my own world as a wildlife biologist, it's called
"catch-and-release" and "mark-and-recapture"; the fish (or other wildlife
such as rabbits, deer, mice, insects, crustaceans, whatever) is caught, then
tagged before release. Subsequent catches of the tagged fish or other
animals are measured against catches of the same species which are not
tagged. After a certain number ("N") are caught and again released, a
formula called the Lincoln-Peterson Index is applied to determine population
numbers.
Now, one might reasonably ask, how does a Lincoln-Peterson Index apply to
recapture of a long gone, then reappearing DX entity such as South Sudan, I
have no idea, at least not yet. Working on it... I'm still trying to
recapture QSLs from QSOs in the early 1990s. For example, I made contact
with only a single station from Rhode Island during my 2001 and 2004
mini-dxpeditions to VO2 despite repeated efforts. This one station responded
to my CQ RI but never responded to my repeated QSL requests (I sent him
SASEs, green stamps, even $5 GS, and letters) but no response thus denying
me WAS from VO2. Using the Lincoln-Peterson Index (N=1), I would calculate
that Rhode Island no longer exists, has gone extinct, HF-wise. Yet, QRZ.com
insists that RI has a ham population of 2263. Such are the vagaries of both
wildlife and ham radio populations and contacts.
You win some, you lose some, but you keep playing the game.
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD
Previously VO2/K2FRD
VO2FS to be QRV in summer 2012
At 7:00 PM -0400 9/7/11, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote:
Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect
there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The
man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again!
Bernie
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-----Original Message-----
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM
To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the
reference to catching the same fish twice!
73
K1vsk
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