Walter Maxwell’s interesting book, “Reflections”, has an in-depth
discussion on non-resonant antennas and tuners. Highly recommended.

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:05 AM Lyn Norstad <l...@lnainc.com> wrote:

> Exactly.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W2xj [mailto:w...@w2xj.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 7:37 AM
> To: l...@lnainc.com
> Cc: barrylaz...@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
>
> What is changing is the radiation pattern. As the frequency increases the
> pattern becomes more sidelobes. Some of those sidelobes are bigger than the
> main lobe and they radiate  ‘somewhere’.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 21:19, Lyn Norstad <l...@lnainc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Barry -
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I use nothing but 600 ohm OWL (True Ladder Line) and a short piece of
> coax connects to a 1:1 / 4:1 hybrid balun to allow matching the impedance
> perfectly with my KAT500.
> >
> > The antenna is a 360' center fed EDZ (design frequency of 3.5 MHz).  The
> KAT500 matches it on all bands 160 - 6m (on 15m, it bypasses).
> >
> > The measured performance indicates  excellent radiation on all bands.
> >
> > 73
> > Lyn, W0LEN
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry LaZar
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 7:44 PM
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Matching resonant antennas
> >
> > Wes,
> >
> >     You're correct that open wire/ladder line transmission lines are
> > not a panacea. But, in the average ham stations, open wire does overcome
> > high losses with high SWR, or not so high SWR. What is needed is a look
> > at the ARRL Antenna book for transmission line loss/100 ft. as a
> > function of SWR. You see that on 10 meters running 10:1 SWR the total
> > loss is around 1 db. And, as you go to the lower bands, losses become
> > less. Typical 400 Ohm ladder line has a loss of 0.2 db at 10 MHz and 0.6
> > db at 100 MHz. Using these data and a little interpolation, I would use
> > 0.4 db on 10 meters and a 10:1 SWR for this to be 0.8 db of additional
> > loss for a total of about 1.2 db. Yes, I do use a balun and recommend
> > them so add another 0.5 db. Add another 0.5 db for a good tuner and we
> > end up with a total of 2.2 db. on 10 meters and less on 20 and it
> > decomposes to an academic exercise on 40 and down.
> >
> >     Coax on 10 starts out with a higher loss/100 feet. I will use what
> > I use here in K3NDM, Times LMR400. That represents 0.4 at 10 MHz. and
> > 1.4 db at 100 MHz. That will yield about 1.2 db/100 ft on 10 meters. Add
> > 0.25 db for a 2:1 SWR and 0.5 for tuner loss and you end up with about
> >
>
>
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