> > PS, I'm still more inclined to thinking either there is a problem with the > VFD's configuration, or the spindle bearings are going bad. I've never had > a drive cause problems like you're describing (not that I have that much > experience with drives going bad.) Usually either they work or they > don't. I've had rectifiers go bad and was able to replace them and put the > drive back in service. Others that just died I was not able to pinpoint > the failure and just had to replace them. This last drive I had to > replace, I could see being a capacitor problem. It would fail to power up > for a couple of hours after first turning on the machine in the morning. > It would run fine all week as long as it was left on, or if only turned off > for a few seconds but over night or the weekend it was wait for the power > LED on the drive to turn on, then cycle the power to the machine to clear > the alarms and you were good to go. >
I thought about the bearings too but they feel and sound as always. In fact, the last time we used the spindle before the VFD stopped working we were cutting for about 40 minutes + another 25 minutes of preheating of the spindle before that. The ambient temperature was easily 40°C but the spindle never reached more than 55°C at the bearings and no more than 60° at the stator. The temperature settled at those values. Other than that I don't know where to look on the spindle side. El mar, 14 mar 2023 a las 16:04, Todd Zuercher (<to...@pgrahamdunn.com>) escribió: > Most of the big VFD manufactures do offer high frequency versions of their > VFDs but you might have to call and ask for it. For most it is simply > loading in a special firmware version at the factory that allows the drive > to be set to the higher frequency. There is usually a compromise though > and a number of other normal features must be disabled because they don't > work at the high frequency. For example with the current Yaskawa V1000 > drive, the high frequency version goes up to 1000hz (1500hz under certain > circumstances), but it loses all auto tuning features, flux vector control > and a list of other things are disabled. (Comes with a 10page or so > supplement to the manual covering all of the changes from the stock > firmware.) But they can be difficult to order. We tried to order a new > Yaskawa drive more than a year ago, finally last month, after the 3rd time > of the shipping date getting pushed back, we got tired waiting, canceled > the order and bought a used drive off Ebay. Also they won't sell them to > just anyone, you can't live in the wrong country and have to offer some > proof you have a legitimate use for it. > > PS, I'm still more inclined to thinking either there is a problem with the > VFD's configuration, or the spindle bearings are going bad. I've never had > a drive cause problems like you're describing (not that I have that much > experience with drives going bad.) Usually either they work or they > don't. I've had rectifiers go bad and was able to replace them and put the > drive back in service. Others that just died I was not able to pinpoint > the failure and just had to replace them. This last drive I had to > replace, I could see being a capacitor problem. It would fail to power up > for a couple of hours after first turning on the machine in the morning. > It would run fine all week as long as it was left on, or if only turned off > for a few seconds but over night or the weekend it was wait for the power > LED on the drive to turn on, then cycle the power to the machine to clear > the alarms and you were good to go. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 1:32 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Air cooled router spindle problem > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > Hi guys, hope you are doing well. > > Well, today I tested it again and had the same behaviour as before. It > works perfectly at the beginning but then it fails and gives me an > overcurrent alarm. > > I took it apart and nothing seems to be wrong at first sight. I'm thinking > about replacing the capacitors module but for that I'll have to wait a > couple of weeks for the new module to arrive. I can desolder and install > new capacitors on this module, but I can't find something as big as these > ones here in Argentina. So I think I'll get a new VFD and with that solved > I'll repair this one. > > The best VFD I can get here in terms of cost benefit is a YASKAWA GA500 > that reaches up to 590 Hz. It's more than ok for me since I don't usually > go more than 500 Hz with this one so that's my solution at this point. > > > El mar, 14 mar 2023 a las 9:16, Todd Zuercher (<to...@pgrahamdunn.com>) > escribió: > > > No, they are not. Yes most small high speed router spindles (less > > than > > 10hp) are 2 pole. But all of the big HSK-63f tool changer spindles on > > our big routers at work (9kw+) are 4 pole. Which by the way makes > > getting a suitable VFD to run them much much more difficult. Most > > VFDs are limited to max output frequencies of about 500hz. (Something > > about preventing people from building high speed centrifuges I think.) > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Viesturs Lācis <viesturs.la...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 6:18 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Air cooled router spindle problem > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > Leonardo, are you sure about those Hz vs. RPM numbers? AFAIK all high > > speed spindles are 2-pole motors (correct me if I am wrong on this), > > then you should have 200 Hz for 200 RPS = 12000 RPM and 400 Hz for 400 > > RPS = > > 24000 RPM > > > > Viesturs > > > > pirmd., 2023. g. 13. marts, plkst. 18:55 — lietotājs Leonardo > > Marsaglia (< > > ldmarsag...@gmail.com>) rakstīja: > > > > > > By the way, the nominal frequency is 400 hz at 12000 rpm. Nominal > > > voltage is 380 volts but that varies of course when the VFD is > > > working. Max frequency is 800 hz at 24000 rpm but I never came close > > > to > > that. > > > > > > El lun, 13 mar 2023 a las 13:50, Leonardo Marsaglia > > > (<ldmarsag...@gmail.com>) > > > escribió: > > > > > > > Hi Todd, and thanks for the response! > > > > > > > > Well the manufacturer only gave nominal and max speed for the > > > > spindle and a couple of graphics to see the u.f. and p.f. curves > > > > to > > have some guidance. > > > > I'm always using the spindle at 15000 rpm so I think that's ok. > > > > Also I've been using it like this for more than 6 months with no > > > > troubles and it was working almost 10 hours straight each day. > > > > > > > > The spindle sounds right when at high speed and with no cutting > > > > forces involved, I can't feel any difference from the first time I > > > > tested it. Also by hand it feels the same as always but that could > > > > be my perception off course. > > > > > > > > Anyway, last Saturday we tested it again. First 25 minutes of > > > > warming up without cutting. The temperature settled at 55°C at the > > > > body of the spindle. Then we cut a board for about 40 minutes. We > > > > monitored the spindle temperature at the bearings and stator and > > > > never exceeded the 65°C at the stator / 57°C at the bearings. VFD > > > > current, voltage and internal temperature were ok (no more than > > > > 43°C when working at full load on the VFD). Then we started to cut > > > > another board and that's when the VFD started giving problems. At > > > > the moment we tried to accelerate the spindle to 15000 rpm (I'm > > > > using a 10 seconds ramp approximately to reach 15000 rpm) the > > > > overcurrent alarm started . There was no way of making it to work. > > > > It > > looks to me that the VFD could be the problem because everything else > > was ok. > > > > > > > > Today I'm going to test it again before taking it apart, and then > > > > I'll open it and check the capacitors and all the joints to see if > > > > I see an evident problem there. But I'm almost 100% sure the > > > > problem is > > in the VFD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El lun, 13 mar 2023 a las 13:19, Todd Zuercher > > > > (<to...@pgrahamdunn.com>) > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > >> The wrong VFD settings can cause an overheat due to overcurrent. > > > >> Were you running the spindle at lower RPMs? Router spindles > > > >> generally don't like running at speeds less than 6000rpm, > > > >> especially if the VFD settings aren’t right. The VFD needs to be > > > >> set so that it reduces the voltage applied with reduced frequency. > > > >> If this volt/hz reduction curve isn't right, either you can over > > > >> current and overheat the motor at lower speeds, or if set too low > > > >> you lose what little torque the spindle has. To know what these > > > >> settings need to be set to you need to know the motor's rated > > > >> speed and voltage at those speeds and current ratings. If the > > > >> spindle manufacturer didn't supply a midrange voltage setting, > > > >> you may need > > to find that setting experimentally. > > > >> > > > >> That said, high speed spindle bearings can be failing and the > > > >> spindle still spin mostly freely by hand, but the spindle will be > > > >> loud at speed due to vibration and will overheat if run for > > > >> extended periods of time at speed. A high speed spindle should > > > >> be very quiet at speed (not sound like a conventional router > > > >> motor.) Check for any slightest notchy-ness, when turning the > > > >> spindle by hand. It is often more cost-effective to have a loud > > > >> spindle rebuilt before it totally fails, than to run it till it > > > >> won’t run anymore and then try to rebuilt it or have to replace > > > >> it because > > damage to the spindle is too severe. > > > >> > > > >> What are your spindle motor’s rated speed, voltage and current? > > > >> What do you have the VFD set up for minimum, maximum, base and > > > >> mid-range voltages, and frequencies? Yes, those are 8 separate > > > >> settings that most VFDs need to have configured to run a high > > > >> speed spindle correctly. Unfortunately many times the spindle > > > >> manufacture will only provide you with the spindle’s rated > > > >> frequency and voltage (use this for the “Base” frequency and > > > >> voltage in the VFD) and the maximum frequency and maybe voltage. > > > >> If you are lucky and the spindle manufacture provided you with > > > >> some numbers to use for the mid-range settings if so, use them. > > > >> They may not be called that, it might just look like a low or > > > >> minimum speed setting with a reduced voltage (might be 5-7k rpm). > > > >> If you don’t have a recommendation from the spindle manufacture, > > > >> experiment with different mid-range voltage settings to find one > > > >> that > > keeps the VFD’s current output safely below the spindles rated > > continuous current. > > > >> > > > >> For example I was just working at replacing a VFD for an HSD > > > >> spindle that had recommendations for 7k rpm @ 220v for the > > > >> mid-range, but I also had to set the minimum frequency and > > > >> voltage to 0.5Hz and 1.0v, to prevent the motor from occasionally > > > >> stalling on acceleration when starting from stopped. When those > > > >> settings were incorrect the drive would overcurrent and shut > > > >> down. When they were close but not quite right the drive would > > > >> run at high current and not always accelerate correctly > > > >> (stalling). With them correct the drive accelerates the spindle > > > >> quickly and only shows peak > > currents of about 15amps while doing it. > > > >> > > > >> PS I meant to send this last week, but forgot to click send, so > > > >> it sat on my work computer till this morning. > > > >> > > > >> Todd Zuercher > > > >> P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > > >> 630 Henry Street > > > >> Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > > >> Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2023 9:20 AM > > > >> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > >> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Air cooled router spindle problem > > > >> > > > >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > >> > > > >> In fact, the day the rotor slipped, when the spindle cooled down > > > >> a bit, it started to work ok until I had the problem again. What > > > >> I'm mostly worried about is, if this was caused due to an > > > >> overheat, why did that overheat occur in the first place? > > > >> > > > >> El mié, 8 mar 2023 a las 11:17, Leonardo Marsaglia (< > > > >> ldmarsag...@gmail.com>) > > > >> escribió: > > > >> > > > >> > Most high speed spindles (such as router spindles) are rather > > > >> > particular > > > >> >> about how the VFD is configured because of their low inductance. > > > >> >> What are your settings for base frequency and voltage? You may > > > >> >> need to adjust the settings for midrange frequency and voltage. > > > >> >> What these settings will do is adjust the volts/hertz curve to > > > >> >> help keep the motor from overcurrent when running at lower > > > >> >> RPMs, and help prevent stalls/excessive slippage on acceleration. > > > >> >> These settings usually need to be significantly different from > > > >> >> most VFD's default setting (which are usually configured for a > > > >> >> 60hz > > > >> >> motor.) > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi Todd, > > > >> > > > > >> > I'll take a look and attach my settings as soon as possible for > > > >> > you to see. But this setup was working well until the extreme > > > >> > heat days > > > >> started. > > > >> > > > > >> > Could it be that the ambient temperature (40ºC or more) could > > > >> > have made the rotor slip effect worse? Maybe I was on the limit > > > >> > before and the extreme heat conditions triggered the effect? > > > >> > > > > >> > Thank you! > > > >> > > > > >> > El mié, 8 mar 2023 a las 10:57, Todd Zuercher > > > >> > (<to...@pgrahamdunn.com>) > > > >> > escribió: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Most high speed spindles (such as router spindles) are rather > > > >> >> particular about how the VFD is configured because of their > > > >> >> low inductance. What are your settings for base frequency and > voltage? > > > >> >> You may need to adjust the settings for midrange frequency and > > > >> >> voltage. What these settings will do is adjust the > > > >> >> volts/hertz curve to help keep the motor from overcurrent when > > > >> >> running at lower RPMs, and help prevent stalls/excessive > > > >> >> slippage on acceleration. These settings usually need to be > > > >> >> significantly different from most VFD's default setting (which > > > >> >> are usually configured for a 60hz > > > >> >> motor.) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Todd Zuercher > > > >> >> P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > > >> >> 630 Henry Street > > > >> >> Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > > >> >> Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> >> From: Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com> > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2023 10:05 PM > > > >> >> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > >> >> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Air cooled router spindle problem > > > >> >> > > > >> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Well, I tested it for almost an hour with no load at 15000 RPM > > > >> >> and the temperature settled at 55ºC in the bottom side where > > > >> >> the bearings for the tool holder are, and almost 65º in the > > > >> >> body part where the > > > >> stator is. > > > >> >> According to one of the Chinese suppliers of these spindles, > > > >> >> 75ºC it's a pretty common working temperature. I'm still > > > >> >> waiting for a detailed answer from the factory. This time, the > > > >> >> VFD worked fine, no whining with no rotor spin. Now I need to > > > >> >> cut some wood while monitoring the temperature during the > > > >> >> process and hope the temperature > > > >> doesn't go too high. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Anyway, I'm looking for new VFD drives just in case. From what > > > >> >> I can tell the problem could be the VFD as Gene and Jon pointed > out. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I'll let you know how it goes when cutting wood again. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Thanks to all for your help! :) > > > >> >> > > > >> >> El dom, 5 mar 2023 a las 18:11, gene heskett > > > >> >> (<ghesk...@shentel.net>) > > > >> >> escribió: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > On 3/5/23 12:59, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > > > >> >> > > By the way, one subtle thing I noticed too that leads me > > > >> >> > > to the bearings > > > >> >> > as > > > >> >> > > a problem. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Normally when the spindle is off and the dust removal > > > >> >> > > vacuum system is working, the spindle tends to spin by > > > >> >> > > itself because of the vacuum action on the impeller I > installed. > > > >> >> > > This almost never happened yesterday. So, to sum up: I was > > > >> >> > > able to free turn the spindle by hand at all times, but > > > >> >> > > the vacuum was not always able to make it spin the > > > >> >> > > impeller and if it did it wasn't nearly as fast as days > > > >> >> > > before. This is what makes me suspect about the bearings. > > > >> >> > > Also, almost all the problems I experienced yesterday were > > > >> >> > > with cutting forces involved, never with the spindle > > > >> >> > > turning free. Could > > > >> >> > it > > > >> >> > > be that the extra heat and torque that's building up > > > >> >> > > because of a damaged bearing is what's making the VFD > > > >> >> > > triggering for > > > >> overcurrent? > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > What puzzles me still is when the spindle was too hot and > > > >> >> > > with no load > > > >> >> > the > > > >> >> > > VFD only whined and couldn't make the spindle turn. This, > > > >> >> > > as Jon pointed out, recovered on its own a few minutes later. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > I'll be there doing some tests in a few hours so I'll let > > > >> >> > > you know if I > > > >> >> > can > > > >> >> > > note anything new. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Again a lot of thanks to you guys for being so kind and > > helpful! > > > >> >> > > :) > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > El sáb, 4 mar 2023 a las 15:51, Leonardo Marsaglia (< > > > >> >> > ldmarsag...@gmail.com>) > > > >> >> > > escribió: > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > >> Hi guys. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Sorry for the OT but I'm having a strange behavior with > > > >> >> > >> my spindle and > > > >> >> > I'm > > > >> >> > >> a little worried. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> The problem I had today for the first time is the spindle > > > >> >> > >> was getting really hot and started to slip (you could > > > >> >> > >> hear the frequency from the inverter was on spot but the > > > >> >> > >> rotor sometimes wasn't even turning).After > > > >> >> > a > > > >> >> > >> few seconds of slipping the VFD triggered the over > > > >> >> > >> current alarm and the spindle was stopped. Once the the > > > >> >> > >> spindle cooled down it worked > > > >> >> > perfectly. > > > >> >> > >> This never happened before but also I must clarify that > > > >> >> > >> today the > > > >> >> > ambient > > > >> >> > >> temperature reached 40⁰C and I'm sure that under that > > > >> >> > >> roof where the > > > >> >> > router > > > >> >> > >> is placed there were 45⁰C so I suspect this has something > > > >> >> > >> to do with the problem. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> The spindle is rated 11kw of max power output and is air > > cooled. > > > >> >> > >> It has > > > >> >> > a > > > >> >> > >> built in fan motor so it doesn't rely on spindle speed > > > >> >> > >> for > > > >> cooling. > > > >> >> > >> It always gets warm (there are several labels on the > > > >> >> > >> spindle’s body for caution because of the heat) but > > > >> >> > >> nothing > > like today. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> Could this be normal because of the extremely hot days > > > >> >> > >> I'm having > > > >> >> here? > > > >> >> > >> Should I think about changing bearings or even rewind the > > motor? > > > >> >> > >> I've > > > >> >> > only > > > >> >> > >> had the over current alarms when the spindle was too hot. > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> I will be really thankful if you can share your thoughts > > > >> >> > >> about > > > >> this. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > I think I'd want to look at the solder joints on the big > > > >> >> > capacitors in the vfd, keeping in mind that they can hold > > > >> >> > quite a charge for quite a while when turned off, and that > > > >> >> > is definitely a lethal voltage. When I said look, I'm > > > >> >> > looking with an old camera lens for a magnifying glass, > > > >> >> > checking for hairline cracks in the solder, particularly at > > > >> >> > the edge of the solder puddle where the copper foil begins, > > > >> >> > that is a favorite place for some seemingly crazy thermal > > > >> >> > effects. And you can't just scrape it down to clean copper & > > > >> >> > bridge it with solder, you must bridge the crack with a > > > >> >> > piece of suitable gauge copper wire when patching such. And > > > >> >> > for future crack development protection, a 2% silver bearing > > > >> >> > solder is much stronger > > > >> than the usual eutectic mix. > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Same inspection comments apply to the semi's soldered > > > >> >> > joints, heat sinks can exert joint breaking forces as they > > > >> >> > heat. 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