Hey Ben, Thanks for the feedback. I do see that LW is somewhat a deadline. I've to admit that my C skills have went far beyond quality. Since I did mostly Web stuff. I think I could most of the site get reorganized, styled etc. up to Aug 2nd. And as I got no idea on my previous proposal except a few comments on IRC.. I started takeing the whole thing a little further. The colors were taken from the Winter theme. And yes they might not be the best. But they are not the worst in my eyes too.
The forum was there since some time but It's not present. Wich makes it mere obsolet. The SF forums are nothing to compair. They are not userfriendly in a way the user are used to. Even gentoo and other Sites footnotes have phpBB style forums. And there are a lot more out there. Nearly every Webgameing clan has a phpBB or Invasion Board. They are just what people are used to. The ML should stay at SF I never intended to actually use some other. The planet sure. It might get slow as e does ( not yet) consist of a lot of people. But that might change. I don't think I'm useful at doc`ing as I'm horribly Dyslexic and for code, see first paragraph. Nor am I a themer of quality. So I was thinking that maybe a more friendly and mroe warm e.org apperance might help user/developer and themer access info more easily. As I, and this is my very personal opinion, find the current e.org site cold and not very wellcoming. The Offsite notes on in the RFC were only to mark not to value. Concerning Evoak. There is not even a link on e.org for evoak. nor is there one for engage or emotion. I don't know if this has been done on purpose. The rollout app was actually an idea of raster's. Yesterday morning on irc. Just my opinion and what I think I could be most useful at. kindest regards, Moritz "neofeed" Angermann On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:23:07 -0700, Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's my take, others comment as you see fit. > > This is not a good time to re-invent the wheel. LW is a month off, > we're getting bits slowly into place with hopes to have a good > showing... overhaul of the website doesn't make sense right now. > Granted, if your gonna overhaul the site, do it before the show, which > is why the layout was "upgraded" some time ago. However with 30 days > and counting a mass overhaul is a bad idea. > Furthermore, the proposed colors are... imho, a poor choice, we'll say. > The ideas you have are good ones, I think you've got some promising > ideas, but why can't we apply some new ideas to what we have rather than > completely re-implementing offsite? > We have forums (SF), we have lists (SF), not to mention that e1x has > been there for ages, and cuddletech as an E forum as well (admitadly, > it's fairly Solaris/ports specific). In our experience, I think it's > safe to say, forums haven't been a big win, and sure you can blame that > on them being offsite, but I don't see there being enough potential > there. Further, the Blogs idea is yet another good one, however we have > a big problem... most of us maintain our own blogs/news offsite and > don't update it very often. Okey, so planet is implemented and for > acouple weeks we're all into it and update more often, but that'll pass > in time. > The "News" page (and the whole site) are up for anyone with CVS access > to modify, folks can put anything at all that they want there, it's > always been that way. > > Again, you've got some great ideas. I'd like many of them to work, but > what we need now is docs and code. The time that goes into implementing > blogs could be used creating new sample Edje's, or adding recipes to the > cookbook, or adding examples to pages already on the site, or improving > apps that are there. Frankly, a new Entice theme to show just how much > flexablity that Edje/Embryo provides is a far better use of time than > anything mentioned here. A rollout app (epackage) is a good idea, but > that involves a lot of code, and a whole lot more testing, which is > going to take at least 3months working at a fast clip, imho. We need > deliverables by Aug 2nd. Evoak, work with evoak, doc evoak, write > tutorials about evoak, write sample apps or port existing apps to evoak > via a "-client" arg. Improve Erss and create new themes for it. Kick > out some really great EWL apps. Etc, etc, etc. > > Say what you will about the e.org's design... we would all probly like > something much much better, I'll be the first to say so... > but I don't think this is the time. > > Please feel free to comment anyone who wants to. This is a community > project, and obviously everyone can do anything they wish, this is just > my opinion. > > benr. > > > > > Moritz Angermann wrote: > > >[Was: E-Org facelift - Now: eOrg RFC] > > > >$ Moritz Angermann, v1, July 2nd 2004 $ > > > >what is this? > >============= > >This is about a possible Redising and reorganisation of > >the eOrg Webrepresentation. > >The idea is to generate a better publicity. > >And more people to use e/eOrg/eApps. Yes this is about > >PR. I'm not a PR expert but I'd like to try. > > > >The Goal > >======== > >The goal shall be to make e more friendly for user, > >developer and themer. And give a better overview of the > >whole e-project. > > > >Let's go > >======== > >As of now(irc of today) we would be having at least 3 modules. > > > >o Some kind of server as integral part for datasupply. > >o e.org website using the data supplied from the server. > >o Some kind of Store/iTunes/RedCarpet like thingy. > > > >e.org > >===== > > A general User, Developer, Themer seperation. > > a scatched out layout idea can be found at http://neofeed.blogspot.com > > The current e.org page has mixed all together. > > > > e.org > > Project > > Overview > > News > > FAQ > > Documentation > > Releases [offsite sf.DL] > > Source > > Community [ML, IRC, e1x, cuddletech] > > Join Us! > > DR16 > > Enlightenment > > Imlib > > Screenshots > > Get DR16 > > Themes [fm] > > EFL > > Overview > > Imlib2 > > Edb > > EET > > Evas > > Ecore > > Etox > > Edje > > EWL > > DR17 > > Enlightenment > > Entice > > Evidence [Offsite] > > Entrance > > Euporia [Offsite - ome where have I landed? SUN?] > > eRSS > > Development > > The Team > > CVS RSS > > CIA > > BugTrack [Offsite] > > Logos > > Links > > > > Most of this is Developer Centric. Though a metalib covering > >documentation is missing. > > The fontsize is small and not too appealing/hard to read in my opinion. > > > > We all know e17 won't build and as such is dead. Currenly when using > >e everyone is using e16 > > with the tools based on EFL. > > > > Thus a quick way how a layout could look: > > > > e.org > > Users > > enlightenment (e16) > > download > > themes > > screenshots \w comments > > enlightenment apps > > {a generic e app > > Download > > Applicaion Screenshots > > Themes (Edje) > > Comments > > Bug Report > > } > > Entice > > Evidence > > Entrance > > Euphora > > (Emotion) > > (Engage) > > (Examine) > > (ETerm) > > [...] > > User Forum/ML/IRC > > Developer > > Overview of all the libs > > Imlib2 ( do we still want Imlib? ) > > Edb > > EET > > Evas > > Ecore > > Etox > > Edje > > EWL > > (where is the E-OSD) > > Documentation > > Something like http://go-mono:8080 and http://www.php.net/printf > >could be nice. \w comments > > Developer Forum/ML/IRC > > (Public e-applicaion) > > Team(?) > > Themer > > Introduction to Edje > > Documentation Edje > > I don't think that http://go-mono:8080 or http://www.php.net/printf > > Tutorials Edje > > Themer Forum/ML/IRC > > (Publish Themes) > > Planet.e.org > > Links > > > > o.org would have to be easily extenable and maintainable while being > > at the same time simple to query via a generic extenable interface > >(RPC anyone?). > > > >eFrontEnd > >========== > > Raster had the idea of having something RedCarpet alike or iTunes. > > Where one would simply click the App one wants and it would get installed. > > Possibly popping up with a Dialog to select the wished themes. > > And something like this in the background: > > `epackage -repo http://repository.enlightenment.org/repo -install examine` > > > >eBackEnd a.k.a. Server > >======================= > > Would have to supply the requested data without too much hazzle. > > I have no Idea how the phpBB would be weeded in this... Rewrite? > > Neighter do I have an idea what to do with the Planet software. > > This could probably be Engeneered in PHP. > > > >The missing parts > >================= > > We do not yet have a way to do the server/client communication. > > XML would come to ones mind though raster has no clear view on > > why to use xml for this instead of some binary/text format. > > > >Suggestions, Ideas, Comments are wellcome! > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This SF.Net email sponsored by Black Hat Briefings & Training. > >Attend Black Hat Briefings & Training, Las Vegas July 24-29 - > >digital self defense, top technical experts, no vendor pitches, > >unmatched networking opportunities. 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