On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:27:35 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> said:
> On 10/2/22 19:37, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 07:48:29 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users > > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> said: > > > >> If I copy data in the clipboard, then I close the application, then I > >> try to paste, my clipboard has disappeared... Why ? How to keep the > >> clipboard...? > > this is normal in x - copy & paste is a transaction between 2 clients. > > "copy" or "cut" simply has the source app own the selection - it says it > > owns it. when you paste the target app you paste in then requests the data > > from the source app (they negotiate a common format) then the data is > > transferred. if the original app is gone - this transaction cannot take > > place as the selection owner is gone and no negotiation and transfer can > > happen.n this has been x11 selections (and wayland too) ever since day 0. > > > > you could try a clipboard manager that basically pasts to itself whenever it > > sees a new selection owner and then stores this... and it becomes the > > selection owner... > > > > > > Thank you very much for the explanation. > > So I have tried diodon, but it does not work. Do someone use a clipboard > manager and can someone suggest me one...? > > As a more general problem, is there a page giving a list of recommended > program tested to be well working with e....? no list - but just asking questions is a great way to work stuff out. i dont run any services myself that are not proper dependencies of e (xorg server, acpid (necessary for any acpi based system - basically any pc), connman for network (important if you want proper network control with native e support), bluez for bt (optional - but imho very important for any bt device support), pulseaudio for audio mixing/control (if you have an audio device - just use pulse - pipewire should work too if you also install the pipewire pulse compatibility), packagekit (optional for e's package manager integration support), dbus for a lot of the above is needed as well as other services e might offer. in this day having a system without dbus and dbus-launch with a session bus is highly unusual and not what a normal user would do - unless they are trying to be too smart for their own good. i don't use a clipboard manager - i just paste when the app is still there... :) i've been doing this for many decades now... > I see the problem on another thread, a user wants to install e, but > she needs too xorg. Sure it is normal. And she needs too to start dbus, > it is dbus-x11 in debian... It is not simple nor basic to know that all > this is necessary... e will launch dbus if needed, but e can't just install it for you... yes dbus-x11 is this on some distros. on arch dbus-launch is just part of the dbus package and not separate. this is a matter for packagers to package all the dependencies right. same for xorg. debian (and debian based) distros make this very much more complex as they like to split up packages a lot and thus require you to install a longer list of them. arch tends to package more simply and thus you need to install fewer, but each package has more things in it that you might not totally need. but again - a matter for packagers to do this and list dependencies or recommendations or create meta-packages (e.g. enlightenment-x11, enlightenment-wl that both depend on enlightenment and then also pull in e.g. xorg, dbus-x11 for enlightenment-x11). you could argue debian should just have dbus by default all the time and ALWAYS ensure users have a system and session dbus on any kind of login as otherwise you have a crippled system (at least for desktop etc. usage). to a large extent your issues are a packaging and distro problem. perhaps i should do the above as part of enlightenment packaging in arch and make meta-packages. it won't help you on debian though... -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
