On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:35:18 +0200 Massimo Maiurana <maiur...@gmail.com> said:
> Carsten Haitzler ha scritto il 04/10/22 alle 10:57: > > On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:27:35 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users > > <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> said: > > > >> On 10/2/22 19:37, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 07:48:29 +0200 Pierre Couderc via enlightenment-users > >>> <enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net> said: > >>> > >>>> If I copy data in the clipboard, then I close the application, then I > >>>> try to paste, my clipboard has disappeared... Why ? How to keep the > >>>> clipboard...? > >>> this is normal in x - copy & paste is a transaction between 2 clients. > >>> "copy" or "cut" simply has the source app own the selection - it says it > >>> owns it. when you paste the target app you paste in then requests the data > >>> from the source app (they negotiate a common format) then the data is > >>> transferred. if the original app is gone - this transaction cannot take > >>> place as the selection owner is gone and no negotiation and transfer can > >>> happen.n this has been x11 selections (and wayland too) ever since day 0. > >>> > >>> you could try a clipboard manager that basically pasts to itself whenever > >>> it sees a new selection owner and then stores this... and it becomes the > >>> selection owner... > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Thank you very much for the explanation. > >> > >> So I have tried diodon, but it does not work. Do someone use a clipboard > >> manager and can someone suggest me one...? > >> > >> As a more general problem, is there a page giving a list of recommended > >> program tested to be well working with e....? > > > > no list - but just asking questions is a great way to work stuff out. i dont > > run any services myself that are not proper dependencies of e (xorg server, > > acpid (necessary for any acpi based system - basically any pc), connman for > > network (important if you want proper network control with native e > > support), bluez for bt (optional - but imho very important for any bt > > device support), > > Actually native E support is limited to bluez5, for bluez4 you have to > rely on blueman. bluez4 is deprecated and pretty much dead unless you'd never updated your system for like 10 years. in which case you wouldn't have updated e either as everything is ancient :) > > pulseaudio for audio mixing/control (if you have an audio device - just use > > pulse - pipewire should work too if you also install the pipewire pulse > > compatibility), > > I can confirm that pipewire-pulse works. > > packagekit (optional for e's package manager integration > > support), dbus for a lot of the above is needed as well as other services e > > might offer. in this day having a system without dbus and dbus-launch with a > > session bus is highly unusual and not what a normal user would do - unless > > they are trying to be too smart for their own good. > > > > i don't use a clipboard manager - i just paste when the app is still > > there... :) i've been doing this for many decades now... > > > >> I see the problem on another thread, a user wants to install e, but > >> she needs too xorg. Sure it is normal. And she needs too to start dbus, > >> it is dbus-x11 in debian... It is not simple nor basic to know that all > >> this is necessary... > > > > e will launch dbus if needed, but e can't just install it for you... yes > > dbus-x11 is this on some distros. on arch dbus-launch is just part of the > > dbus package and not separate. this is a matter for packagers to package > > all the dependencies right. same for xorg. debian (and debian based) > > distros make this very much more complex as they like to split up packages > > a lot and thus require you to install a longer list of them. arch tends to > > package more simply and thus you need to install fewer, but each package > > has more things in it that you might not totally need. but again - a matter > > for packagers to do this and list dependencies or recommendations or create > > meta-packages (e.g. enlightenment-x11, enlightenment-wl that both depend on > > enlightenment and then also pull in e.g. xorg, dbus-x11 for > > enlightenment-x11). you could argue debian should just have dbus by default > > all the time and ALWAYS ensure users have a system and session dbus on any > > kind of login as otherwise you have a crippled system (at least for desktop > > etc. usage). to a large extent your issues are a packaging and distro > > problem. > > > > perhaps i should do the above as part of enlightenment packaging in arch and > > make meta-packages. it won't help you on debian though... > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
