EV Digest 5516
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: thick "primary" and "thinner wire more numerous" windings
on a rotor .. step up transformer effect ?
by "Andre' Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Batteries in Metro
by B Eskridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Batteries in Metro
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Batteries in Metro
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Taperlock dilemma
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Almost Free EV!
by "gail donaldson lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) battery suggestions
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: thick "primary" and "thinner wire more numerous" windings on a
rotor .. step up transformer effect ?
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
by "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Almost Free EV!
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Edward Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: NiMH working but Unavailable
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Gadget on the news tonight
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
by "Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Almost Free EV!
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad (6000 nicad cells in a drag racer)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Taperlock dilemma
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Havranek)
25) RE: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) French eco-race
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Oh man! left coast conversions
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) OT: Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Almost Free EV!
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
30) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Here is a old one on Ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7416936953
Comm on one end with what looks like copper brushes and slip rings on the
other end.
At 09:20 AM 5/22/2006, you wrote:
peekay wrote:
> will there be a step up from say 12 volts ac to 120 volts ac IF
> the two wires have 'turns' such that the 'other' set has 10 times more
> turns than the 'first' coil?
Yes. The turns ratio sets the voltage ratio.
> i guess we need to keep in mind that this is happening in a rotating
> thingy, the ROTOR. This theory works in static transformers. This
> is known and easy to understand ..
Yes. When you put two windings on a motor, it becomes a rotating
transformer.
> I haven't seen such a construction on rotors for stepping up voltages
As I said, it's commonly done for motors that need to run on more than
one voltage. The windings are connected in series or parallel to get
different operating voltages.
Another common use is to have a single winding with one or more taps. An
external switch can apply (say) 120vac to the entire winding, or just
part of it. This changes the volts per turn, so the motor runs at
different speeds. This is common in fans -- a switch selects slow,
medium, or fast by using 1/2, 3/4, or all the winding. (Note: since this
doesn't change the frequency, the motor operate inefficiently at
anything but full speed. But what to they care; YOU are paying the
electric bill, not the manufacturer!)
Another use is in rotary converters. They have two sets of windings,
often different voltages, each of which can be AC or DC. Rotary
converters are used to transform DC to AC, AC to DC, change the voltage
up or down, or change the frequency. A dynamotor is a DC in, DC out
rotary converter. A georotor is an AC in, AC out rotary converter that
changes the frequency (60hz in, 50hz out for example).
There is one more complication that will fool the unwary. Motors
naturally have an air gap between the stator and rotor. When two
windings are physically separated (even a small amount) and/or when
there is an air gap in the core, not all the magnetic flux produced by
one coil passes through the other coil. This creates what is called
"leakage inductance". The coils behave as if there is an extra inductor
in series with them.
Now, inductors do not let you change the current in them suddenly. They
act like flywheels, whose speed can't change instantly. If you try to
change the current instantly in an inductor, it produces a huge voltage
spike (the "inductive kick") in an effort to keep the current from
changing. The actual transformer winding's voltage is strictly
controlled by the turns ratio; but the voltage across that leakage
inductor isn't! So you can get brief voltage spikes far larger than the
turns ratio.
You can see this effect clearly in a car's ignition coil. It has an iron
core with a large air gap, and the two windings are well separated. It
has a turns ratio of about 100:1, so you would expect that switching 12v
to the primary would produce 12v x 100 = 1200v on the secondary. But the
actual secondary voltage is a brief spike of more than 25,000 volts!
This comes from the leakage inductance of those two coils.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Hmm interesting.
Could you overcome this problem by not charging the cells all the way?
If so, then a parallel pack might work if you:
Never regen past 90% SOC
Use parallel strings and not buddy pairs, then separate the strings for
charging.
or possibly add battery regulators across individual cells (difficult) or
perhaps across small strings of cells. Maybe 10 cells as a 12V battery
with a regulator.
> Mike Phillips wrote:
>> I think there is fear that paralleling won't work. But I see no data
>> backing up that position.
>
> I have. I did some tests myself as well. It's not hard to demonstrate
> the potential for a problem.
>
> Get two nimh cells, preferable older used ones. Charge and discharge
> each separately, so you know their capacity and have graphs of their
> voltage vs. current charging curve. New cells are virtually identical;
> used ones are a bit different.
>
> You'll see that each cell's voltage is relatively flat and rises quite
> slowly until it gets near full charge. Then its voltage climbs more
> steeply, reaches a peak, and then starts to fall again as the cell goes
> into overcharge. A lot like nicads, but the peak and drop are less
> pronounced.
>
> Now put them in parallel and charge them. You'll see that the peaking
> mostly goes away, unless the two cells just happen to reach "full" at
> the same time. New, well-matched ones will; old ones won't.
>
> The voltage of whichever cell reaches full first will start to fall, its
> current starts to increase, and it starts getting hot. It hogs the
> current, so the second cell stops charging somewhat short of full. If
> allowed to proceed (i.e. your charger was looking for a voltage peak
> that never occurred), one cell get very hot, the other stay cool, and
> the cells get seriously out of balancer. The overcharging of the hot
> cell also causes its early demise.
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
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Hello,
I am considering converting a Metro 3 Dr. to an EV for commuting and fun.
In practice how many batteries is it possible to get under the hood at the
front? I am specifically thinking of theTrojan 105 series.
Thanks!
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If you the Metro is between 1989 and 1999, you might want to consider this
kit from Can EV. He gets 5 batteries under the hood, and 7 underneath the
read seat: http://www.canev.com/KitsComp/GeoKit/Geo-Kit.html
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of B Eskridge
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:12 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Batteries in Metro
Hello,
I am considering converting a Metro 3 Dr. to an EV for commuting and fun.
In practice how many batteries is it possible to get under the hood at the
front? I am specifically thinking of theTrojan 105 series.
Thanks!
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Uh, let's try that again: under the "rear" seat, I meant.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bill Dennis
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:53 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: RE: Batteries in Metro
If you the Metro is between 1989 and 1999, you might want to consider this
kit from Can EV. He gets 5 batteries under the hood, and 7 underneath the
read seat: http://www.canev.com/KitsComp/GeoKit/Geo-Kit.html
Bill Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of B Eskridge
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:12 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Batteries in Metro
Hello,
I am considering converting a Metro 3 Dr. to an EV for commuting and fun.
In practice how many batteries is it possible to get under the hood at the
front? I am specifically thinking of theTrojan 105 series.
Thanks!
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Dave Cover wrote:
Suppose you had a brand new shiny taperlock hub. You waited a long time to get
it and were anxious
to install your motor to build your EV. But there was a problem. The vendor
drilled the holes
wrong so you cannot bolt your clutch to the hub.
If this is _truly_ the vendor's mistake, take it back. It's tantamount
to your vendor providing you with the wrong part. You shouldn't
compromise you conversion because of someone else's screw-up.
Would there be a problem with throwing out the
bolts and having the hub welded directly to the flywheel? Isn't this what
Gadget recommends. I was
planning on having the flywheel machined to lighten it, maybe I can find a
machine shop that could
do both procedures at the same time. It would probably be the fastest way to
fix the problem. I'm
not worried about the longevity of the flywheel, it won't be getting much abuse
anymore. And I'm
not interested in taking the time to send the hub back to have them do it
right. I just want to
get the car together.
Thanks
Dave Cover
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There may be an interested party here in Las Vegas. Is there a phone number
one could call for more information and possibly make arrangements to get
the car if they can find a way?
Thanks,
Gail
> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Date: 5/21/2006 11:34:00 PM
> Subject: Almost Free EV!
>
> Hi all,
> I must get rid of my Elektracar.
> The glider is a 1980ish Datsun 310, and it is configured for 120 volts
> through a cableform controller and a prestolite motor.
> It was last driven about 5 years ago, and drove really well.
> It had a vibration which turned out to be a bad clutch plate, put a new
one
> in and never ran it since.
> It is fairly clean and straight.
> I have been directed to get rid of it *now*, so I will take virtually any
> offer (which will go toward the shop account at my school).
> I would gladly deliver within 50 miles of San Diego.
> Please hurry, as if it's not gone by Friday, we will send it to the
crusher
> on Saturday, and I'd hate to see this thing disappear.
> It has a clear California title.
> If anyone would like, I can email pictures of your choosing.
> Thanks a million in advance,
> Ben
>
>
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sounds very right .. down hill .. i guess even on plain roads
this 'braking' feeling sounds nice .. free wheeling, gliding is
just not the 'usual' feeling
..peekay
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
> Trust me, Peekay. When you drive an EV down a steep hill w/o regen, you
wish
> you had it.
>
> It isn't just EVs. I almost wasn't born because Dad decided to take the
> Chevy out of gear, coming down Observation Mountain. He couldn't get it
back
> into gear and the brakes were fading. They successfully made the turn at
the
> bottom of the hill, but a hubcap came off. Back then, these were heavy
hunks
> of metal. It went through a service station, between 2 people, and
embedded
> itself into the wall.
>
> I've not had an EV w/ regen, but for downhill runs it's a plus... and
> getting a small return to the batts is just a plus. <g>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
>
>
> > interesting to note that many ev'ers want regen capability
> > for the 'braking' effect on the car .. feels good .. of course,
> > it charges batteries too ..
> >
> > strange that the silent 'gliding' without any acceleration/deceleration
> > cannot be an accepted feeling .. habbits, "normal" and other kind
> > of natural human 'feelings' seem to be the reason
> >
> > ..peekay
>
>
>
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I just pulled the McNair batts from my new Chinese (McCullough) lawnmower.
Interesting that they were DOA, w/ apparently no warranty.
I could use some advice as to what to put back in. These are RB-FM-12V-18Ah.
For now, I've mounted a pair of my (very old) Hawkers in place, but it'd be
nice to go back up to 18Ah, from the current 12. (Interesting batts, those
Hawkers. Over 6 years old and never missed a lick.)
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very nicely explained .. thank you
..peekay
(end of this thread)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: thick "primary" and "thinner wire more numerous" windings on a
rotor .. step up transformer effect ?
> peekay wrote:
> > will there be a step up from say 12 volts ac to 120 volts ac IF
> > the two wires have 'turns' such that the 'other' set has 10 times more
> > turns than the 'first' coil?
>
> Yes. The turns ratio sets the voltage ratio.
>
> > i guess we need to keep in mind that this is happening in a rotating
> > thingy, the ROTOR. This theory works in static transformers. This
> > is known and easy to understand ..
>
> Yes. When you put two windings on a motor, it becomes a rotating
> transformer.
>
> > I haven't seen such a construction on rotors for stepping up voltages
>
> As I said, it's commonly done for motors that need to run on more than
> one voltage. The windings are connected in series or parallel to get
> different operating voltages.
>
> Another common use is to have a single winding with one or more taps. An
> external switch can apply (say) 120vac to the entire winding, or just
> part of it. This changes the volts per turn, so the motor runs at
> different speeds. This is common in fans -- a switch selects slow,
> medium, or fast by using 1/2, 3/4, or all the winding. (Note: since this
> doesn't change the frequency, the motor operate inefficiently at
> anything but full speed. But what to they care; YOU are paying the
> electric bill, not the manufacturer!)
>
> Another use is in rotary converters. They have two sets of windings,
> often different voltages, each of which can be AC or DC. Rotary
> converters are used to transform DC to AC, AC to DC, change the voltage
> up or down, or change the frequency. A dynamotor is a DC in, DC out
> rotary converter. A georotor is an AC in, AC out rotary converter that
> changes the frequency (60hz in, 50hz out for example).
>
> There is one more complication that will fool the unwary. Motors
> naturally have an air gap between the stator and rotor. When two
> windings are physically separated (even a small amount) and/or when
> there is an air gap in the core, not all the magnetic flux produced by
> one coil passes through the other coil. This creates what is called
> "leakage inductance". The coils behave as if there is an extra inductor
> in series with them.
>
> Now, inductors do not let you change the current in them suddenly. They
> act like flywheels, whose speed can't change instantly. If you try to
> change the current instantly in an inductor, it produces a huge voltage
> spike (the "inductive kick") in an effort to keep the current from
> changing. The actual transformer winding's voltage is strictly
> controlled by the turns ratio; but the voltage across that leakage
> inductor isn't! So you can get brief voltage spikes far larger than the
> turns ratio.
>
> You can see this effect clearly in a car's ignition coil. It has an iron
> core with a large air gap, and the two windings are well separated. It
> has a turns ratio of about 100:1, so you would expect that switching 12v
> to the primary would produce 12v x 100 = 1200v on the secondary. But the
> actual secondary voltage is a brief spike of more than 25,000 volts!
> This comes from the leakage inductance of those two coils.
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
>
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Good lesson to be learned there Lee. Great stuff like that needs to be
put in a spread sheet and stashed somewhere on the web. We have so
much info flaot by around here, and no place to hide it. I made a
table of contents for another group so anyone can look up a subject
and then just click on the linked cell and go to the info. Reduces
repeat questions too.
Here's the plan. These Nimh packs have a built in relay and 4
thermistors. The manual method is to not peak charge the array of
packs but to charge them to some lesser voltage, say 90% of peak. Then
every half dozen charge cycles or so, charge each pack separately.
The automated way is to make the individual pack relay open when the
pack is full, but before the other packs in the array are full.
Ideally this should happen at something like .2 amps so the contacts
don't arc every charge cycle.
Complicated maybe, but I want to see if they are a viable resource for
EV's.
Right now I've got the thermal sensing automatic fan variable speed
control circuits working. Also the thermal sensing relay ciruit is
working. Keeping Nimh cool is imperitive for any kind of longevity.
Mike
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike Phillips wrote:
> > I think there is fear that paralleling won't work. But I see no data
> > backing up that position.
>
> I have. I did some tests myself as well. It's not hard to demonstrate
> the potential for a problem.
>
> Get two nimh cells, preferable older used ones. Charge and discharge
> each separately, so you know their capacity and have graphs of their
> voltage vs. current charging curve. New cells are virtually identical;
> used ones are a bit different.
>
> You'll see that each cell's voltage is relatively flat and rises quite
> slowly until it gets near full charge. Then its voltage climbs more
> steeply, reaches a peak, and then starts to fall again as the cell goes
> into overcharge. A lot like nicads, but the peak and drop are less
> pronounced.
>
> Now put them in parallel and charge them. You'll see that the peaking
> mostly goes away, unless the two cells just happen to reach "full" at
> the same time. New, well-matched ones will; old ones won't.
>
> The voltage of whichever cell reaches full first will start to fall, its
> current starts to increase, and it starts getting hot. It hogs the
> current, so the second cell stops charging somewhat short of full. If
> allowed to proceed (i.e. your charger was looking for a voltage peak
> that never occurred), one cell get very hot, the other stay cool, and
> the cells get seriously out of balancer. The overcharging of the hot
> cell also causes its early demise.
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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I say don't toss a good Prestolite motor! I'll buy one of those at fire
sale prices. It would be better if someone would pick up the whole car,
but short of that someone needs to pull the EV bits.
Paul "neon" G.
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I agree with you there, Peekay. Most folks don't coast their cars. I sort of
got in the habit of doing that in my ICE, though, where possible. It's
amazing how far a car will coast. I don't kid myself that it's saving any
money coasting, but it's sort of a challenge. <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Regen - as a 'brake'
> sounds very right .. down hill .. i guess even on plain roads
> this 'braking' feeling sounds nice .. free wheeling, gliding is
> just not the 'usual' feeling
>
> ..peekay
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http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/162689733.html The arcaners are great
scroungers. They find much more stuff than we do. It's a good idea to
watch their list.
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
Vegetable Oil Car.
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just a reminder to use correct capitalization when writing. If you want
anyone to take you seriously, you first have to take your posts seriously.
I personally would not read posts in all small letters. It is not only hard
to read, it causes a lot of pain to read. If the poster doesn't even
borther to use the shift key, why would I bother to read? I am sure many on
this forum also receive tons of posts from many other forums. Please at
least try to do whatever you could to help reading easier.
Thank you.
--
Edward Ang
AIR Lab
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lee Hart" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
> Good lesson to be learned there Lee. Great stuff like that needs to be
> put in a spread sheet and stashed somewhere on the web. We have so
> much info flaot by around here, and no place to hide it. I made a
> table of contents for another group so anyone can look up a subject
> and then just click on the linked cell and go to the info. Reduces
> repeat questions too.
>
Hi EVerybody;
I second that, too! The Lee Hart Files, or Book? There alone ,is most
of EV questions answered. The Wayland Files. Lottsa possabilities
here.Current Elininater News. On an' on.
Seeya
Bob
>
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evforge.net is a great place to put it.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Rice
Sent: May 22, 2006 3:19 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lee Hart" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: NiMH working but Unavailable
> Good lesson to be learned there Lee. Great stuff like that needs to be
> put in a spread sheet and stashed somewhere on the web. We have so
> much info flaot by around here, and no place to hide it. I made a
> table of contents for another group so anyone can look up a subject
> and then just click on the linked cell and go to the info. Reduces
> repeat questions too.
>
Hi EVerybody;
I second that, too! The Lee Hart Files, or Book? There alone ,is most
of EV questions answered. The Wayland Files. Lottsa possabilities
here.Current Elininater News. On an' on.
Seeya
Bob
>
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SFEVA"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
> http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/162689733.html The arcaners are great
> scroungers. They find much more stuff than we do. It's a good idea to
> watch their list.
Hi All;
What's an " arcaner" ('s) A Left Coast term? Craig's List is 'way cool.
I have used it for mundane stuff, like selling a boat, buying a washer and
fridge. Best, it's FREE! Do we have an Arcane Car List here in the Big East?
Seeya
Bob
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If you are on the Los Angeles area, the EV segment
that I did with KABC7 news will air tonight.
oooh. I just saw the Teaser it will be on at 5.
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
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Michael Perry wrote:
I agree with you there, Peekay. Most folks don't coast their cars. I sort of
got in the habit of doing that in my ICE, though, where possible. It's
amazing how far a car will coast. I don't kid myself that it's saving any
money coasting, but it's sort of a challenge. <g>
I wouldn't say that... if you coast one quarter of the time driving
around town (easy enough once you get into the habit), you're reducing
mileage on the transmission by that amount. And those things have
specific lifetimes.
As my uncle used to remind me: a tranny is one heck of an expensive
brake! Brake pads are made to grind away, gears are not.
To me coasting is natural - goes back to riding a bicycle I guess.
Shoving the cars inertia back through the tranny and engine/differential
just seems somehow *wrong* to me. I agree that most don't seem to coast
much in their cars. Poor machinery.
It might not be much, but I bet you're saving some money over the life
of the car if you coast on a regular basis.
~ Peanut Gallery ~
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I've been looking for a Prestolite for cheap myself. Would
sure as hell beat an old surplus aircraft starter.
If the price is reasonable and along with the shipping, I'd
gladly take that motor! Maybe the controller too, while I
save up for a Zilla. What kind of charger is there?
My goal? Electric GT6 on the road before college starts in
early September.
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In a message dated 5/14/06 6:41:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: RE: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad (6000 nicad cells in a drag racer)
Date: 5/14/06 6:41:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Cameron)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Philippe, I looked on EVAlbum - do you have any further information on this
racer? I have looed on EVAlbum, Nedra and googled this without much luck.
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Philippe Borges
Sent: May 14, 2006 3:14 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad
if i recall correctly there is an EV drag racer which use (or had used) 6000
nicad D cells. >>
It may have been Ed Dempsy with the old world record streamliner car.(salt
flats racer) Dennis Berube
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Just a reminder to use correct capitalization when writing. If you
want anyone to take you seriously, you first have to take your posts
seriously.
In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking or you
may be ignoring a significant portion of the populace that will soon be
a majority of those online (if they are not already).
This lack of capitalization "movement" started back in the late 80's
when textual chat spaces came into prominance. Those spaces were
considered "informal" communication and as such accepted the lack of
capitalization, incomplete sentances and also word abbreviations (rofl,
kk, l8tr, etc).
The later rise of textual cell phone communication reinforced this meme
because abbreviations and lack of caps made cell text communication
easier and faster. If you have to type several keys several times on a
phone to make a single letter in a text message, you learn shortcuts.
The result is that an entire generation has now grown up learning this
technique as the "norm", and many of them use it for conversation of all
kinds, even "serious" ones. I would assert that this is considered
perfectly normal and acceptable by almost everyone under 25 years of
age.
This method of communication is definitely here to stay and while many
of us over 30 find it glaringly "ugly" to look at, many more simply see
this as the "way things are". I am not advocating that we all quit using
caps and start abbreviating everything. I am just saying that this
represents a major shift in communication technique by the younger
generation and that us older people need to adjust to what IS rather
than what we'd LIKE.
This is totally mainstream now.
Hope this helps!
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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Dave:
Looks like your going in the right direction (bolting it) and there have been
some helpful posts also.
As far as throwing it out of balance, I can relate an experience with an early
Chevy V6 and Buick V6. They are balanced differently and we switched engines in
a boat, but we had to use the same flywheel or drive plate.
The boat shook rather badly and the boss knew what it needed. He rolled me
under with a few scraps of steel and had me trial weld little scraps of steel
on the back of the flywheel (and take them off) until we got it balanced and
it ran smooth. It took several ounces spaced way out on the flywheel to make a
difference.
I wouldn't worry about a few grams at the crankshaft holes.
If you have a real nice taperlock that you can make work without welding it up
to the flywheel, give it a shot.
Good luck,
Dana
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From: Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks for your replies, your input is appreciated.
>
> First let me explain what probably went wrong. My flywheel bolts to the
> crankshaft with nine
> bolts. AND an indexing dowel pin. This indexing dowel pins shifts the
> location
> of at least one
> bolt by about 3/32 of an inch. Enough so that at least bolt will never fit. I
> would bet dollars to
> doughnuts that whoever made the hub saw the nine bolt holes and missed the
> dowel
> hole. They just
> spaced the nine holes evenly around the hub.
>
> I think, after considering the options, I'm going to try and find a good shop
> and weld the
> flywheel to the hub. For a couple of reasons.
>
> 1. I'm very patient, but my patience is wearing thin. I've been planning and
> amassing EV
> components for over a year. I originally planned on doing my conversion last
> Spring. Now that
> I've finally gotten going, I'm looking for an expeditious solution. No more
> long
> distance
> relationships, I'm finding local talent to get the job done.
>
> 2. The taperlock hub I have is VERY nice. If I send it back, it may never get
> used. It was made to
> fit my flywheel and I doubt there is another with the matching bolt pattern.
> It'd be a shame to
> waste such a nice peice of work.
>
> 3. I like the idea of welding the unit on and was planning on having the
> flywheel machined anyway.
> A good welder and machine shop should be able to handle the job.
>
> 4. I have absolutely no interest in going back and forth with the vendor to
> get
> some satisfaction.
> I just want to build my EV. Everything else I got was done well and the fit
> and
> finish is top
> notch. It's just that one hole is out of position.
>
> In writing this email, I thought of one more possibility. How about grinding
> that one flywheel
> hole a little bigger so it lines up with the hub? It's not much material.
> It's
> only an inch off
> the center of rotation. Would a couple of grams of metal that close to the
> center cause an
> imbalance?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave Cover
>
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As long as you use spell check before sending your postings.
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Edward Ang
Sent: May 22, 2006 1:05 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
Just a reminder to use correct capitalization when writing. If you want
anyone to take you seriously, you first have to take your posts seriously.
I personally would not read posts in all small letters. It is not only hard
to read, it causes a lot of pain to read. If the poster doesn't even
borther to use the shift key, why would I bother to read? I am sure many on
this forum also receive tons of posts from many other forums. Please at
least try to do whatever you could to help reading easier.
Thank you.
--
Edward Ang
AIR Lab
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Funky shaped "cars"- if you want to call these vehicles that- got up to
6,786 mpg, but did not break the 9,023 mpg record.
http://news.com.com/2100-11389_3-6075058.html?part=rss&tag=6075058&subj=news
<http://news.com.com/2100-11389_3-6075058.html?part=rss&tag=6075058&subj=news>
I'm astounded. That's some pretty aerodynamic stuff!
Danny
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WOW! the segment was LONG...That was better than a
commercial. We would like them to play the story
again. Consumer interest is what drives the stories.
They track the number of hits a story gets so help us
by going to abc7.com and scroll down to the "consumer"
links and then go to "going from gas to electric".
click the link to get to the story. To the right of
the story is a link to Left Coast Conversions. Every
click is a vote for electrics.
Thanks
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
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Ken wrote:
In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking or
you may be ignoring a significant portion of the populace that will
soon be a majority of those online (if they are not already).
Sorry Ken. I don't buy it. Anything worth doing is worth doing
right. If you are going to have your name attached to a post forever
in an archive, you might want to be sure it is worthy of archiving at
all. I doubt any professors would accept a term paper in all
lowercase. How about an all lowercase resume? Despite the
prevalence of text messaging and other such abbreviated forms of
communication, proper writing skills, sentence structure, and
vocabulary are still important. You might also want to keep in mind
that many folks reading the EVDL or the archives may not be native
English speakers. Continuous run-on sentences do not translate well.
If anyone submits an entry to the Album in all lowercase or all caps,
it simply will never get approved, ever. Spelling errors I try to
locate and correct but that is it.
On the EV Tradin' Post I usually retype any incorrect entries. In
that case it is usually folks who seem less familiar with the
Internet and submit ads in all caps.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
position. (Horace)
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In a message dated 5/21/2006 11:33:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello again all.
I must say I am overwhelmed by the responses!
I am really pressed for time tonight, so I'll do this: Tomorrow morning I
will send an email to everyone who responded with pictures attached.
Incidentally, Peter V hit the nail on the head, the controller is a chopper,
and makes interesting noises, way louder than a Curtis.
This thing was happy at 65 on the freeway on 120V of GC batts, never got any
range data tho...
I did like the $500 bid, Shawn; are you locted anywhere nearby? I'm in Chula
Vista CA, zip 91913.
Thanks for all the inquiries, and the pic's will be sent before 9 am
tomorrow.
Ben
Hi all,
I must get rid of my Elektracar.
The glider is a 1980ish Datsun 310, and it is configured for 120 volts
through a cableform controller and a prestolite motor.
It was last driven about 5 years ago, and drove really well.
It had a vibration which turned out to be a bad clutch plate, put a new one
in and never ran it since.
It is fairly clean and straight.
I have been directed to get rid of it *now*, so I will take virtually any
offer (which will go toward the shop account at my school).
I would gladly deliver within 50 miles of San Diego.
Please hurry, as if it's not gone by Friday, we will send it to the crusher
on Saturday, and I'd hate to see this thing disappear.
It has a clear California title.
If anyone would like, I can email pictures of your choosing.
Thanks a million in advance,
Ben
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People will write how they will. But, let the writer beware. I will
struggle through a poorly written posting if the information is important to
me, though I might be cursing the writer :)
If the posting is not so important or perhaps redundant and it's hard to
read, I'll just skip on to the next message. I suspect a lot of people do
this.
"Poorly written" can mean a lot of different things. I'll leave the
interpretation to each own.
So, if you want your posting to be read, put in an extra 10% to make it
enticing.
Peri Hartman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, 22 May, 2006 18:46
Subject: OT: Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
Ken wrote:
In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking or you
may be ignoring a significant portion of the populace that will soon be a
majority of those online (if they are not already).
Sorry Ken. I don't buy it. Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
If you are going to have your name attached to a post forever in an
archive, you might want to be sure it is worthy of archiving at all. I
doubt any professors would accept a term paper in all lowercase. How
about an all lowercase resume? Despite the prevalence of text messaging
and other such abbreviated forms of communication, proper writing skills,
sentence structure, and vocabulary are still important. You might also
want to keep in mind that many folks reading the EVDL or the archives may
not be native English speakers. Continuous run-on sentences do not
translate well.
If anyone submits an entry to the Album in all lowercase or all caps, it
simply will never get approved, ever. Spelling errors I try to locate and
correct but that is it.
On the EV Tradin' Post I usually retype any incorrect entries. In that
case it is usually folks who seem less familiar with the Internet and
submit ads in all caps.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
position. (Horace)
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