EV Digest 6701
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: BugEv Lightning Bug model
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: [EV] RE: We're screwed. NIce story ..
by Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Motor, controller & battery recommendations?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Gear Vendors Overdrive worth it in an EV?
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Light EV, controller/motor?
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Motor, controller & battery recommendations
by "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: OT: Generator and UPS
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Youtube video
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Off topic too often
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) EVLN(New Taiwan Highway Law allows Electric scooters)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(UK Smith's 50mph 150mi range 3.5t commercial EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Light EV, controller/motor?
by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Phoenix EVs @ Inland Empire Auto Show 4/26-29/07)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(Kurrent nEVs for Rent & Sale at Traverse City, MI Train Depot)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(HT Electric Mini Cooper $59k)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(Andrew Keen's EV commute)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) EVLN(UK Future Vehicles offer Li-ion nEVs)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Linear motors .. the only commercial application .. by bombardier in
vancouver, canada
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Gear Vendors Overdrive worth it in an EV?
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Post the pictures to the www.evalbum.com we want to
see it.
--- keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yes I was persistent and actually have 02 the second
> kit/frame. I am going to modify it quite
> extensively
> and have/will take pictures, however I do not have a
> web site to post them to yet but will send them to
> interested individuals. I got it put together for
> our
> earth day and received lots of very positive
> response.
> I have since taken it all apart and begun re
> building
> it to go faster. not sure how fast until issue two
> comes out. first assembly went over 60mph but was
> too
> scary for me. 6.7" DC, 72v 450amp 4 to 1 gear
> ratio.
> total weight right at 600LBS includes 260lb
> driver--too much weight for design will lighten
> second
> version by 100 lbs and stiffen up steering...
> kEVs
> --- Michael Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Congrats on your new BugE. Are you going to post
> pix
> > up somewhere? (You must
> > have gotten one of his first kits. Are you
> somewhere
> > in the NW?)
> >
> > I look forward to hearing about your experiences
> > with this little rig.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "keith vansickle"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:07 AM
> > Subject: BugEv Lightning Bug model
> >
> >
> > > Hey all you racers
> > > I have just completed assembling my BugEv from
> > Blue
> > > Sky Design. Thanks Mark. But being a speed
> > junkie I
> > > wanted it to go a little faster so I installed
> an
> > A DC
> > > 7" motor and and altrax 72 volt controller. I
> > used a
> > > battery pack of 6 12 volt gell cell and AGM
> large
> > > format batteries just because I had them and was
> > in a
> > > rush to get done before Earth Day. BTW
> EVERYBODY
> > > LOVED IT. It is very fast even with the large
> > heavy
> > > batteries but now I want to start to make it
> > really
> > > fast. I want the lightest batteries with the
> > greatest
> > > current draw and a controller to use this power
> > > correctly for 10-15 seconds what
> > > batteries/voltage/controller would you recommend
> > for a
> > > 1/4 miler with an Advanced DC 4001-9 --7"
> motor.
> > the
> > > name plate suggests 36v I have already moved to
> > 72v.
> > > Could I use 144v exotic chemistry batteries with
> > > controller that would allow series parallel
> > switching
> > > ? do i need to get a Zilla for this? If so which
> > one?
> > > will 144v kill this motor for short bursts down
> a
> > > track. Wayland, Wilde, FT Don Crabtree, Rich,
> > Roy Le
> > > muer, Jim Husted, Dennis Berube, Sean lawless,
> any
> > > other race folks . I really want to build
> this
> > > little gem into a real pocket rocket and
> > suggestions
> > > would be appreciated. we have a little 1/8 mi
> > course
> > > here and a couple of 1/4 mi set ups that have
> open
> > > raceing so I ca test it.
> >
> >
>
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>
> Even at $10.00/gallon, you would need a car that gets 10 MPG to drive the
> cost that high. There are lots of good cars that get 40MPG (even cheap
> ones like my Echo), so you would end up at 25 cents/mile. I can't think of
> many good reasons to commute long distances in a 10 MPG vehicle with a
> single occupant.
Neither do most of us. But I work in an upscale (read expensive) building
and several tenants arrive alone in an Expedition or a huge dodge
pickup that get 13 or 15mpg. And gas down here is already US$4.5 a
galon (and just went up 0.25 today)
> As gas gets more expensive, I hope that some people ( the smart ones, at
> least) will give up their 6000# SUVs, and maybe think about living less
> than 100 miles from where they work. People may also make some kind of
> effort to carpool, even if it isn't as convenient.
I moved closer when I starded spending US$100 a week on gas. I used to
drive 60 miles a day. I now live 5 miles
from work. I still drive only because I need to go visit clients. If
I am certain I'll be in my desk all day I take the bus or a taxi.
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> Goal is 26 mile range minimum, 45 miles would be nice, around the suburbs.
> 0-60 time around 8 seconds when I'm in a hurry. Significant highway use
> unlikely, very limited use over 50 MPH. Elevation changes here in
> northeast
> Illinois are limited to about 30 feet within battery range, unless I go
> climbing garbage dump ski hills, so climbing grades isn't a biggie.
That's easily doable, except the 0-60 in 8 seconds. I don't think you'll
be able to get that with flooded GC batteries. If you want to go with AGm
batteries and a high power controller, then you can get that.
> Size the motor for the expected steady state requirements, maybe 30 HP for
> occasional highway speeds (being a little generous). Maybe ADC or WarP 9"
> at 120 volts? Or should I go 8" and save the weight?
With your stated goals, an 8" should be fine. The 9" motor allows you to
sustain higher currents, which equates to more torque. Basically, with
your vehicle, you'll only need a 9" for long hills or towing.
> Choose a controller to achieve desired acceleration (maybe the Curtis 550A
> 120 volt model)? I'm guessing this could come up short of the desired
> acceleration, but I'd rather not pay for a 1K amp+ controller if I can
> help it.
A 550A controller is a good match for 6V flooded batteries. Much more
current than that and you will shorten the life of the batteries.
> Batteries? Suggestions needed. Would 15 8 volt batteries, resulting in a
> vehicle weight of around 3250, get me the performance I'm looking for?
Sure, for about 3-4 months before they are toast. If you want 8V GC
batteries to last more than 1 year, you need to keep the current levels
below 300 amps.
Many people complain about the short life spans of 8V batteries because
they expect to pull the same kinds of currents from 15 8V batteries as
they pull from 20 6V.
> What
> would 24 6 volt batteries get me, besides a 4000 lb vehicle, and maybe
> require the 9" motor just to move it?
More power, a bit more range (compared to 20 x 6V)
> Now, has anybody messed with bypassing the controller with a contacter
> with
> a current limiting resistance for a sort of a "passing gear" effect? I
> figure beyond 500 amps, I don't need fine control, more like a Nitrous
> blast
> effect, to teach the Mustang owners a thing or two about electrics :).
You don't need or want a any resistance. Resistance is just wasted power.
Use the controller to get you going and then engage the contactor.
Of course using this "Boost" option will reduce the life of your
batteries, the more often you use it, the shorter their lifespan.
Unless you are using AGM batteries, I don't think you'll be teaching
mustangs much of anything. Max power from 20 x 6V batteries is about 50
hp...in a 3200+ lb vehicle...do the math.
We're talking less power than an air-cooled VW with 50% more weight. Plus
if you try pulling that kind of power very often, you'll be replacing them
every couple months.
> I've been seeing fairly radical differences in acceleration numbers for
> cars
> with similar motors and battery voltages, and I'm trying to avoid
> dissapointment. Are some people a bit slower because they are using 400
> amp
> controllers, and/or insufficient gear reduction (torque multiplication) to
> move all those batteries, or am I just dreaming that sporty car
> performance
> can be had with anything less than dual motors and a 2k amp controller?
Well, ignoring driver and testing differences (not to mention overly
optimistic calculations/guesstimations), lot's of things can limit you
acceleration.
Dual motors and a Z2K won't get you anything, if your batteries limit you
to 80 hp. Ditto high power AGMs and a 550A controller. Or selecting two
high a gear ratio, or too low.
If you want to spank some 'stangs, you're going to need some AGMs and a
Z2K. A single 9" should do for occasional stoplight drags.
I think you could get very nice performance from a Z1k and 12 ea Optima
group 31s. You'll be under 3000 lbs with more than 120 hp. That's kind
of a lightweight pack, but it should do 25+ miles.
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From what I can tell, it's direct drive(1:1) until the 12 volt
solenoid is activated drawing 2 amps and then it uses planetary gears
and some sort of automatic style clutch(I surmise) to enable a .78:1
overdrive ratio.
This could be installed in the place of the TH400 tail shaft housing
on the TransWarP 9. Would it even be worth it, useful, or beneficial?
Let's say for example White Zombie had one of these installed. At
some point going down the track, the device could be activated. Would
this reduce the 1/4 ET any? Best guess as to how much if so?
http://www.gearvendors.com/installation.html
Manual, automatic, GV. I'm looking at about the same price for any of
the three. Direct drive is nice from a simplicity, cost savings, and
reduced maintenance(no clutch), and reduced weight point of view.
The automatic(with and without converter) has a whole lot of unknowns.
Choices...
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Maybe do something like this but as an electric?
www.bugwing.com- Using a vogelbilt type bike.
One of my unusual fines in coming up with a donor
vehicle for and EV.
Also if doing a Trimagnum you could always use a
vogelbilt as the bike. www.vogelbilt.com
The Trimagnum would work great with a Vogelbilt type
cycle. Or even one of Father Times Drag bikes would
work.
These are just late night ramblings. Yes I have the
Trimagnum plans and no I have not built one yet. But I
have actually sat in one built by someone else.
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/318248369.html
>
> I've been REALLY REALLY tempted to get this car and
> either make it
> half-width, or maybe just put a couple rear wheels
> close together inside
> the back (no fenders in back). The chopped top is
> already cool.
> Was thinking of asking the seller if he'll do the
> half mod for me, as I
> don't have room for another car, but I'll guess he
> just wants it gone.
>
> Jack
>
> Timothy Balcer wrote:
> > On 4/25/07, Randy Burleson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> > Is this going to based around an RQRiley plan?
> >> No, though I really like his designs -- I'm just
> confident about getting
> >> a good result from the fiberglass over foam
> construction. I know 'glass
> >> well enough, but coming up with a symmetrical
> foam underlayment seems
> >> difficult.
> >
> >
> > oof. I hear you there.. I might be ordering a set
> of TriMuter plans
> > just to see how he specifies the measurements. If
> its lofting, then I
> > can handle that no sweat.
> >
> >>
> >> > Just curious as to what sort of three wheeler
> you
> >> > are going to build. Tadpole or trike?
> >> Taildragger/tadpole/2f1r. Two seats, three
> wheels, and no doors,
> >> windows, or roof.
> >>
> >> > Neat project idea! :)
> >> Thanks! :D
> >
> >
> > You could use the TriMagnum idea .. using a
> motorcycle back end and a
> > car front end, welded together and braced.
> >
> >>
> >> > The ADC is obviously the first choice because
> of
> >> > price/power ratio...
> >> Especially for a first-timer, trying to prove out
> feasibility.
> >>
> >> > ... but if you wanted to spring a bit more cash
> you could get the
> >> larger
> >> > LEMCO motor, save a bit of weight, have more
> efficiency, and get
> >> Regen.
> >> I'd be willing to stretch that far, if the motor
> were perfect.... Would
> >> the LEM-170 be the best fit of LEMCO offerings?
> I'm looking around right
> >> now on the net for other DC efficiency ratings...
> >>
> >> LEMCO's light weight looks good, but all of their
> graphs just show
> >> limited-range RPM windows.
> http://www.lemcoltd.com/lem_170.htm Will this
> >> work full-range in EV use?
> >
> >
> > Good question. If you look at the torque curves
> that evparts supplies
> > for the big one, it -does- seem to have the juice
> to get you there
> > though, upwards of 16hp. This one:
> >
> >
>
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/products/mt5115/008-200-60V.gif
> >
> > That's @ 60v, the top end. And it looks to be able
> to go to 4000RPM
> > no problem.. which is plenty of RPM for highway
> speeds. Just tailor
> > the tire, gears and chain to match your
> expectations :) Its rated for
> > 100A continous, and looking at the various Torque
> graphs, that means
> > you should be able to maintain highway speeds no
> problem, given light
> > weight and aerodynamic forms.
> >
> > BUT.. I don't have any direct experience with
> these guys. You may want
> > to ask the evparts folks (*wave*) about the
> LEMCO's suitability for
> > your project. There may be some hidden bugaboo I
> am not seeing. Also,
> > you'll be paying $1200 more for it than the ADC
> one, so you'll have to
> > decide if that is worth regen and about 30lbs of
> weight.
> >
> > --T
> >
> >
>
>
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Jeff Major wrote:
one years ago without the torque converter and had to
do a lot of extra work because there was an internal
pump you lose without the idling motor. We went to an
external pump, but it took a lot of trial and error to
get it right. Once there it was sweet.
What was it like with no converter? When you applied the throttle,
did it act like normal or lag or lurch? Was it streetable/tolerable?
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Michaela Merz for the email address to which to respond.
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Outstanding production. This doesn't look like a home video, which is a BIG
plus. And you can't beat the message.
Good job.
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Folks, we've had a lot of OT threads running lately. Individually they're
small, but collectively it's a lot of distraction from the main point.
Some start way off topic, such as the question about a UPS. Sorry, but that
really has no place on the EVDL. Please do not respond on the list.
We've also had some that started slightly off topic - not really much of a
problem - but instead of respondents pulling them back to EVs, they pulled
them way off topic - the headlight thread, for example. When someone posts
slightly off topic, please try to move the discussion toward EVs.
I know there's a lot of knowledge here and it's tempting to mine it for
answers to non-EV questions. If you want to do that, please select an EVDL
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EVLN(New Taiwan Highway Law allows Electric scooters)
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2007/04/21/2003357573
Cyclist groups push for change in law
By Shelley Shan STAFF REPORTER Saturday, Apr 21, 2007, Page 4
CHANGE NEEDED: Bikers' rights campaigners said that the law needs
altering to recognize bicycles and that the nation should give
cyclists more road space
[...]
"The Highway Law (???) refers to any motored vehicle -- including
cars, electric vehicles, or any other slow-moving vehicle -- that
can operate on highways and in downtown areas," said Chou
Sheng-shin (???) event coordinator for the Thousand Mile Trail
Project.
[...]
The government has promoted the use of small-size electric
scooters for 10 years, but the ministry did not consider granting
legal status to the vehicles until last year.
The new regulations, however, will not be promulgated until May.
They divide electric scooters into two categories; regular size
and small size. The latter must be operated by batteries with a
capacity of 1.34kw or less. The operating speed must not exceed
45kph, and the entire weight of the vehicle must be no greater
than 70kg.
Licence plates must also be mounted on the electric scooters, and
those driving without licence plates may face a penalty of
between NT$3,600 and NT$9,000.
Operators must be 18 years of age and hold a valid licence issued
by their local vehicle registration department. They must wear a
helmet, purchase liability insurance and are not allowed to carry
additional passengers in the vehicle.
Copyright © 1999-2007 The Taipei Times. All rights reserved.
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EVLN(UK Smith's 50mph 150mi range 3.5t commercial EV)
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http://www.tnn.co.uk/Manufacturers/plonearticle.2007-04-25.9335848987
Smith Electric Vehicles Unveils World-Beating Electric
Van
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Smith Electric Vehicles, the world's leading manufacturer of
road-going zero emission commercial vehicles, today (APR 24th)
unveils its latest world-beating model.
Edison utilises Smith's latest battery and power train
technology, housed in the instantly-recognisable Ford Transit
shell. Edison is capable of 50mph and a range of up to 150 miles
on one battery charge, while still providing up to 1,500kg of
payload. It is the only zero emission vehicle with a GVW of under
3.5t to offer these performance capabilities.
Kevin Harkin, Sales Director for Smith Electric Vehicles, said:
The Ford Transit shell provides us with a superb variety of
products, from chassis cab and panel van to minibus.
Edison's unique zero emission drive line technology finally
provides urban operators with a zero emission 3.5t commercial
vehicle ideal for city centre use and one that does not look
out of place in their fleets.
Powered by advanced sodium nickel chloride batteries, Edison
emits none of the diesel exhaust air pollutants which are harmful
to humans, including Particulate Matter and Nitrous Oxide. If
charged with electricity from a renewable energy supplier, it
also provides a 100% reduction in CO2 emissions.
Sainsbury's has ordered an initial eight vehicles for use in its
Sainsbury's Online home shopping delivery fleet. The retailer has
also pledged to replace 20% of its urban delivery fleet with
electric vehicles by September 2008 and 100% of the fleet by
2010.
Other major companies who have already committed to orders of
Edison include Scottish & Southern Energy, one of the UK's
largest energy suppliers; TNT Express and CEVA Logistics.
Edison is on display on the Smith Electric Vehicles stand at the
Commercial Vehicle Show in Birmingham NEC, from today (APR 24th)
to Thursday (APR 26th). Visit Stand 4331 in Hall 4.
by Gerald Woodgate 25/04/2007
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Exactly, that is where the idea came from, one cool ride, but from the
back it doesn't have the coolness that the front does.
Jack
Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
Maybe do something like this but as an electric?
www.bugwing.com- Using a vogelbilt type bike.
One of my unusual fines in coming up with a donor
vehicle for and EV.
Also if doing a Trimagnum you could always use a
vogelbilt as the bike. www.vogelbilt.com
The Trimagnum would work great with a Vogelbilt type
cycle. Or even one of Father Times Drag bikes would
work.
These are just late night ramblings. Yes I have the
Trimagnum plans and no I have not built one yet. But I
have actually sat in one built by someone else.
--- Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/car/318248369.html
I've been REALLY REALLY tempted to get this car and
either make it
half-width, or maybe just put a couple rear wheels
close together inside
the back (no fenders in back). The chopped top is
already cool.
Was thinking of asking the seller if he'll do the
half mod for me, as I
don't have room for another car, but I'll guess he
just wants it gone.
Jack
Timothy Balcer wrote:
On 4/25/07, Randy Burleson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Is this going to based around an RQRiley plan?
No, though I really like his designs -- I'm just
confident about getting
a good result from the fiberglass over foam
construction. I know 'glass
well enough, but coming up with a symmetrical
foam underlayment seems
difficult.
oof. I hear you there.. I might be ordering a set
of TriMuter plans
just to see how he specifies the measurements. If
its lofting, then I
can handle that no sweat.
Just curious as to what sort of three wheeler
you
are going to build. Tadpole or trike?
Taildragger/tadpole/2f1r. Two seats, three
wheels, and no doors,
windows, or roof.
Neat project idea! :)
Thanks! :D
You could use the TriMagnum idea .. using a
motorcycle back end and a
car front end, welded together and braced.
The ADC is obviously the first choice because
of
price/power ratio...
Especially for a first-timer, trying to prove out
feasibility.
... but if you wanted to spring a bit more cash
you could get the
larger
LEMCO motor, save a bit of weight, have more
efficiency, and get
Regen.
I'd be willing to stretch that far, if the motor
were perfect.... Would
the LEM-170 be the best fit of LEMCO offerings?
I'm looking around right
now on the net for other DC efficiency ratings...
LEMCO's light weight looks good, but all of their
graphs just show
limited-range RPM windows.
http://www.lemcoltd.com/lem_170.htm Will this
work full-range in EV use?
Good question. If you look at the torque curves
that evparts supplies
for the big one, it -does- seem to have the juice
to get you there
though, upwards of 16hp. This one:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/products/mt5115/008-200-60V.gif
That's @ 60v, the top end. And it looks to be able
to go to 4000RPM
no problem.. which is plenty of RPM for highway
speeds. Just tailor
the tire, gears and chain to match your
expectations :) Its rated for
100A continous, and looking at the various Torque
graphs, that means
you should be able to maintain highway speeds no
problem, given light
weight and aerodynamic forms.
BUT.. I don't have any direct experience with
these guys. You may want
to ask the evparts folks (*wave*) about the
LEMCO's suitability for
your project. There may be some hidden bugaboo I
am not seeing. Also,
you'll be paying $1200 more for it than the ADC
one, so you'll have to
decide if that is worth regen and about 30lbs of
weight.
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Phoenix Motorcars Exhibits All-Electric Mid-Size Truck at Inland
Empire Auto Show
ONTARIO, CA -- (MARKET WIRE) -- April 23, 2007 -- Ontario-based
all-electric vehicle manufacturer, Phoenix Motorcars, will be one
of the alternative fuel displays on "Green Street" during the
Inland Empire Auto Show scheduled for April 26-29, 2007 at the
Ontario Convention Center.
Attendees are encouraged to stop by Phoenix Motorcars' booth to
see its five-passenger, zero-emission, all-electric sport utility
truck (SUT). During the show, attendees will have the ultimate
green experience when they get behind the wheel to test-drive the
Phoenix SUT during the Ride and Drive Activity on Saturday and
Sunday from 11:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
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all-electric sport utility truck (SUT)
"We are thrilled to participate in an event that is right in our
own backyard," said Bryon Bliss, vice president of sales and
marketing for Phoenix Motorcars. "It is an opportunity to be
involved locally and to support our local economy."
The SUT can travel at freeway speeds while carrying five
passengers and a full payload. It exceeds all specifications for
a Type III Zero Emission Vehicle, having a driving range of over
100 miles, can be recharged in less than 10 minutes and has a
battery pack with a life of 12 years or more.
The SUT is powered by UQM Technologies Inc.'s propulsion system,
utilizes Boshart Engineering's homologation process and is
equipped with a non-toxic, revolutionary Altairnano NanoSafe
(NASDAQ: ALTI) all-battery pack.
A limited number of Phoenix Motorcars all-electric sport utility
trucks will be available to consumers in 2007 with an expanded
consumer launch scheduled for 2008. Phoenix Motorcars will also
introduce an SUV model in late 2007.
The Inland Empire Auto Show is San Bernardino and Riverside
counties' largest auto show. Show hours are Thursday, 6:00 p.m.
to 9:00 p.m., Friday and Saturday 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., and
Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. For event information, visit
www.ieautoshow.com.
ABOUT PHOENIX MOTORCARS, INC. Phoenix Motorcars Inc., a
privately-held company headquartered in Ontario, Calif., has been
an industry leader in the development of battery-electric,
freeway-speed vehicles since 2001. The mission of Phoenix
Motorcars is to manufacture zero-emission vehicles including
Sport Utility Trucks and Sport Utility Vehicles to reduce the
toxic emissions from the largest contributor to air pollution,
personal automobiles. Phoenix Motorcars has strategic alliances
with UQM Technologies, Inc., Altair Nanotechnologies, Inc. and
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The former train depot at Eighth and Woodmere Streets in Traverse
City is now home to the areas first electric car sales and
rental center.
Ella Cooper, whose family has owned the depot and the former
Grand Traverse Dinner Train since 1988, told the TCBN that her
new company, E-Company LLC, will offer a fleet of ten electric
vehicles beginning this summer.
The fleet is currently comprised of the two-passenger Kurrent,
manufactured by American Electric Vehicle Company of Wixom. This
vehicle is manufactured in Michigan, which is an important factor
for us, said Cooper. Also to come is a 4-passenger model made
by GEM, Global Electric Motors.
Equipped with two separate batteries, one for accessories and one
for movement, each vehicle will run approximately 40 miles before
recharging. With maximum speeds of 25 mph, the cars must be
operated on streets with speed limits lower than 40 mph. The
vehicles can be charged at home in a regular household current.
Theyve often been referred to as neighborhood vehicles
ideal for
nipping around town, going grocery shopping, taking the kids to
ballet, Cooper added said.
Cooper added that energy for the rental vehicles will be supplied
on-site by either solar or wind energy. Solar panels are
currently being installed at the depot.
Rentals will begin at $65 for a half-day for the Kurrent. Weekly,
monthly and seasonal rentals are also available.
Purchase prices for a Kurrent range between $9,800-$13,800
depending on model and added creature comforts.
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Saturday, April 21, 2007
Electric Mini Cooper in 2008
Hybrid Technologies is developing an all-electric Mini Cooper
that will be available next year. Frank Ziegler, Hybrid
Technologies' Director of Sales and Distribution told me the car
will sell for $59,000. That's more than $40,000 over the list
price of a gasoline Mini, but an average drive would save about
$1250 a year on gasoline, based on gas being $3 a gallon. The
electric Mini will have a range of 160 miles and requires 5 hours
to recharge its batteries.
Ziegler says that rather than building small EVs, the company is
focused on converting popular cars into all-electric models.
"People want cars that don't look like electric cars," according
to Ziegler. They are currently selling electric PT Cruisers as
taxis in New York City, and an electric Smart car for $49,000.
Hybrid Technologies uses lithium polymer batteries from Japanese
Korean company Kokam. Ziegler says the batteries do not have
liquid inside and are therefore safer than lithium ion batteries
if there is an accident.I applaud the Hybrid Technologies' build
"real" electric cars, but the high price severely limits the
audience since it doesn't make economic sense.
I asked Ziegler about building plug-in hybrids, but he said the
company has no plans. "We don't want to be dependent on
gasoline."
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My top five consumer electronic items
Posted by Andrew Keen @ 3:30 pm
Okay, guys [...] It's Friday, reason-to-be-cheerful #1..
[...] I want to celebrate some of electronic equipment I own
that works 100% of the time. Here's my top five list:
My Toyota RAV4 EV. It's a fully electric car that we bought five
years ago. We recharge it most nights at our house on a full
charge it can do around 100 miles (enough to get me from my house
in Berkeley to Redwood City and back). It has done 35,000 miles
and we've never had a problem with its electric engine. This is a
true convergence product bringing together the green movement
with the automobile industry. For a brief and tragic history of
electric vehicles, see the movie Who Killed the Electric Car.
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Future Vehicles to Add Lithium-Powered Electric Car to Its Range
of Eco-Friendly Vehicles
Future Vehicles [ http://futurevehicles.co.uk ], based in London,
is an innovative company offering a range of environmentally
friendly, economical and Congestion Charge exempt vehicles -
aimed specifically at the city dweller.
The company offers a select range of new vehicles designed to
provide the perfect solution to London's transport problems.
These include:
Electric Mopeds
Beautiful to look at, great fun to ride and almost free to run.
One day all mopeds will be like this - quiet, clean and
entertaining. The bike pictured has a top speed of 42mph and a
range of up to 40 miles between charges. A full charge costs
about 10p.
Electric Cars
Coming this Summer, the county's first Lithium-powered electric
car. Available in London exclusively from Future Vehicles.
Range of up to 70 miles between charges Top speed of 45 mph.
Free parking in the city and in Westminster No Congestion Charge
No Road Tax Travel for under 2p / mile
Future Vehicles also offers electric car hire - allowing
customers who are thinking about buying an electric car to hire
one for a short period and experience the reality of ownership
before taking the plunge.
Managing Director James Tucker said,
Londoners are tired of paying a fortune for fuel, parking and the
Congestion Charge. They are also becoming increasing concerned
about the impact of their transport on the environment. Our
vehicles are either emission-free or have very low emissions,
they are genuinely innovative, and above they all provide the
freedom of personal transport at a very reasonable price.
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a very intriguing link to the only linear induction motor based vehicle
system
that i have come across .. designed, made, run and maintained by bombardier
in vancouver .. there are two such systems in operation .. as per the makers
website :
http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=1_0&lang=en&file=/en/1_0/1_2/1_2_2_1_
1_3.jsp
(click on the link "technical data")
running on the expo and millenium lines .. 150 mark 1 and 60 mark 2 (more
capacity) coaches
the thing to note is this :
the light pair of bus sized bogies have small wheels which are 'steerable'
.. allowing for
easier turning with less sound .. and these wheels support the weight .. but
the driving
FORCE is by the reactive magnetic field induced in the aluminium clad iron
central 'rail'
(actually a wide flat track between the two weight bearing rails) by the use
of a
LINEAR MOTOR .. which is mounted on the train .. it runs off the 600 volts
dc current
drawn from yet another pair of side rails
if the idea of linear motors was not good, this system is desingned and run
by nuts
(since bombardier is not nuts, i guess this works commercially !)
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From: "George Swartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Linear motors
> Not sure about what you are proposing, but Vancouver, British Columbia
> Skytrain uses linear motors for their rail car propulsion and they work
very
> well. These are induction type motor with an fixed guideway aluminum
> reaction rail. Close air gap is maintained because the rail cars run on
> steel rails. I am not sure if this technology could ever be used with
EV's.
> A related application, although, it the EV charger where the transformer
> primary is in the road or garage floor and the secondary is on the car.
> This also suffers from larger than optimum air gap.
>
>
> http://www.vcn.bc.ca/t2000bc/learning/etb/electric_vehicles.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:52:44 -0400, Timothy Balcer wrote
> > Question to the EEs out there.. just pondering this and thought some
> > of you would have the answer at your fingertips :)
> >
> > Realizing that linear motors are not as efficient, pound for pound,
> > as rotory ones, I wondered.. the problem of saturation... could it
> > be mitigated if you setup a double action rotory linear array (like
> > an airplane engine) with, say, 3+ 'pistons' connected to a
> > crankshaft? Say the 'piston' was a magnetically borne long,
> > permanent magnet, and was some significant distance away from the
> > shaft itself, and the whole thing was computer controlled.
>
>
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Way coooool!
Keep the 4.11's for launch, electric shift to parallel, then mechanical shift
(electrically) to 3rd with a 3.21 final drive ratio.
Only $2400 for the price code A that fits the TH400 :-) Plus 35 lbs though:-(
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Ryan Stotts
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:39 PM
> To: EVDL
> Subject: Gear Vendors Overdrive worth it in an EV?
>
>
> >From what I can tell, it's direct drive(1:1) until the 12 volt
> solenoid is activated drawing 2 amps and then it uses planetary gears
> and some sort of automatic style clutch(I surmise) to enable a .78:1
> overdrive ratio.
>
> This could be installed in the place of the TH400 tail shaft housing
> on the TransWarP 9. Would it even be worth it, useful, or beneficial?
>
> Let's say for example White Zombie had one of these installed. At
> some point going down the track, the device could be activated. Would
> this reduce the 1/4 ET any? Best guess as to how much if so?
>
> http://www.gearvendors.com/installation.html
>
>
> Manual, automatic, GV. I'm looking at about the same price for any of
> the three. Direct drive is nice from a simplicity, cost savings, and
> reduced maintenance(no clutch), and reduced weight point of view.
>
> The automatic(with and without converter) has a whole lot of unknowns.
>
> Choices...
>
>
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