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Hey everyone,
After a good beginning of summer and a couple weeks into my first job Im fnally
at a starting place for my convertion. Here is what i got... A 77 datsun 280z.
It has a 4 speed thats probably the same as other datsun transmissions I see in
some 1200 conversions. I found a forklift. Its a 3 wheel (yale I think) 3000
lbs. It has 2 decent sized drive motors. One for the left and one for the
rights side. The fella at the forklift shop was gonna scrap the lift so instead
he will just give me the motors. They appear to be in good condition, he said
there was a hydraulic problem not electrical. im thinkign about trying tho buy
the whole lift from him. Offer him salvage value that way I can get the
controller (only 36v) and wires and be sure of the wiring arrangement. Then I
want to use both motors, take advantage of the series/ parrallel switching, for
a quick little car. Now for the questions...
1. Is buying the forklift, no matter how cheap, worth it? Is there really any
other usable parts and enough cables to we work the effort of hauling and
transporting?
2. As I remember, both motors only have a drive shaft on one end. Can I have a
machine shop weld an extention onto one motor and lathe it down. So I can
couple the second motor behind it. Will it be strong enough? Can I press in a
new shaft? Is it possible or worth it?
3. Can I have both motors mounted side by side connected with a timing belt
arangement similar to a motorcycle drive belt and how long do you think that
would last?
4. Is the 36v controller any good? Can I use this at low speeds and starts and
then cut it out with a contactor and do the rest of my speed control with
contactors arangng the batteries in series/ parrallel?
Sorry this is so many questions. They all just seem to come up at the same
time.
Thanks, Paul
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Subject: Twin Motors, forklifts and drive belts?
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:33:48 -0400
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:11:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Hey all
I posted some pics so you all could see what I'm
talking about. Now you tell me (being you guys are
the motor experts 8^o) what you think can cause an
armature to rub on just half the shoes? Now compare
that area to where the rear half is mounted at it's
farthest point, right where the rubbing begins.
It looks like my EVDL messages are blocked up again so
I won't be able to reply to this or any for that
matter until they start flowing again 8^(
Anyway just thought some of you might want to see what
I'm talking about and why I've been saying the motors
been wagging it's butt 8^o
http://www.hitorqueelectric.com
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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mike golub wrote:
> I was just wondering if you could use aluminum wire
> for your EV.
Yes. Aluminum is slightly less conductive, but a lot lighter. You need
about one size larger to get the same overall resistance as you would
for copper wire.
There are some drawbacks though that make it less popular.
- It is less flexible. If used in a situation where it is subjected
to repeated bending and flexing, aluminum will work-harden, then
crack, and finally break.
- It forms a thick strong non-conducting oxide layer, making it
hard to form good connections with only pressure. Aluminum
connections use extremely high pressure (enough to cold-weld
the metals together) and/or some kind of grease to keep air
from getting at the surface to prevent this oxide layer from
forming.
- It has a large coefficient of expansion with temperature. This
complicates forming bolted or screwed connections. If you try to
screw down an aluminum wire with a steel screw, when it gets hot
the aluminum expands and cold-flows to relieve the pressure.
When it cools off later, the aluminum shrinks and now you have
a loose connection. You get more heating on the next cycle, more
shrinking when it cools, and pretty soon you have a bad connection.
- Aluminum burns. If a bad connection starts an arc, it can set the
aluminum on fire!
- Aluminum corrodes easily, especially if there is an electrolyte
present (battery acid, road salt, etc.) or when there are leakage
currents. Battery-to-battery connections for flooded cells would
be a terrible application for aluminum.
> And does the stuff come in small strands?
Yes, there is stranded aluminum wire. But not the very fine strands you
find with copper, because you don't want to use aluminum where it will
flex a lot.
There are ways to use aluminum in your EV.
You can use solid aluminum buss bars. Plate them with some other metal,
like copper or tin, to avoid the connection problems. Use spring washers
on the bolted connections to maintain contact pressure despite expansion
and contraction with temperature. Use a grease like Noalox to keep air out.
Or, you can use stranded aluminum wire, with special screw or crimp
terminals designed for aluminum. They produce enough contact pressure to
cold weld the terminal and wire together. The terminals are now normal
plated metal that you can attach normally.
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:07:13 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi Mike,
Yes, you can use aluminum. Even with the larger cross
section to equal copper resistance, it is still
lighter. Problem is with termination. They do make
Al lugs and special inserts for Al into copper lugs,
but are expensive and hard to work with. Also the
flexibility of the Al cable is poor. It is stranded,
but not very finely. I think oxidation is a problem
with fine strands. Have never seen any with strands
smaller than about 10 gauge.
I have tested some Al in a vehicle and in the lab.
Seems to function well. It's just a bitch to work
with. Once you strip off the insulation, they say it
oxidizes immediately. So you put this deox grease on
it. Then the Al lugs come with plastic plugs and are
about twice the size of a Cu equiv. I'd also have
some concern about long term durability. Like
vibration causing fatigue.
Jeff
--- mike golub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was just wondering if you could use aluminum wire
> for your EV.
>
> It has the benefit of being lighter, but not sure if
> the added resistance would hurt the efficiency, and
> then you probably need larger size cable...
>
> And does the stuff come in small strands?
>
> Thanks
> Michael G.
> Fairbanks
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:21:34 -0400
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Another EV gets an inch closer...
Jim shipped my new motor yesterday, just in time for my 36th birthday :)
Its still unnamed, I was hoping Jim would do that. It's supposed to be
simmilar to Damon's swiss cheese motor, although I am just a newbie and
this is my first ever EV. Its going into a 1979 Citroen GS and will be
powered first by 48volts of Trojans and will then be upgraded to 72 or 96v.
Pictures are here: http://www.nn.cl/Autos/EV/Motor/
Its coming ground shipped to Los Angeles and then via air cargo to santiago.
Not a cheap way to get a motor, but not much more than buying a simmilar
motor in Chile, and its built by Jim so I now feel like Chile's Wayland :)
I rented space in a local shop and will start dissasembling my Citroen GS
next week. I sense a landslide coming my way....
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:17:37 -0400
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The small block bolt pattern should be the same as a 4.3 V6 AKA 4300
Vortec. That motor is essentially a SBC with two cylinders lopped
off. Stay away from the FWD 3800s though as they are based on an old
(Buick? BOP?) bolt pattern that isn't compatible.
These are the things one learns when researching engine swaps for a
Fiero. } ; ]
Trot, the trivial, fox... (no, I'm not going to electrify my Formula!)
On 6/7/07, Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting. I Emailed Electro Automotive and asked them if they could make
> an Advance 9" look like a Chevy small block, so I could bolt up either a
> Chevy automatic trans or a Chevy manual trans. It's probably the same thing
> as one of the 90 degree V6's they list on their page. Here's the response:
>
> "Sorry, we don't do any adaptors for automatics."
>
> I just love a quick blow off. Note that this would be the same for either
> manual or auto, it just needs to look like a Chevy. Can this be so unusual?
>
> Marty
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mark said:
> 1. Manufacture battery to *maximize* generation of Hydrogen
> when cycling, instead of maximizing recombination as SLAs do.
>
> 2. Route the Hydrogen to the fuel cell side of the device,
> which then generates more power.
>
> 3. Route waste water from fuel cell back into battery.
>
> 4. Charge battery with any excess electrical output from fuel
> cell (like when's there's no other application demand on fuel
> cell). Of course also charge battery from wall as needed.
tony said:
> I've thought of some sort of rechargable fuel cell, where
> the O and H are stored in tanks, and when discharged,
> you'd get water. Charging would seperate the water into O
> and H again. It would all be self contained.
the biggest problem with hydrogen fuel cells, as far as ive heard, is that
there's simply no current technology that can store enough hydrogen in a
vehicle to get decent range. i have no idea if this is true since BMW seems
pretty happy delivering hydrogen-powered (although not fuel cell) seven
series cars in decent test quantities.
mark's idea seems fantastic if it can generate enough power to offset the
added weight.
m.
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On 6/8/07, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting, haven't heard of PHET, I might have to get in touch with
> them. So far TS are the only (affordable) manufacturer I've come
> across who'll rate their LFPs up to <= 10C discharge. Liteway.cn is
> another one who seem pretty good, but only rate to 3C.
See my other post further down the thread. Yesa is also selling LFPs
rated for 5-10C discharge. See
http://yesa.com.cn/info/content.asp?infoid=503
If you read chinese fluently, im sure you can find plenty of others.
-kert
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I fear that by the time you're seeing the lifespan benefit of spending
all that $ on lithium instead of getting lead, the lithiums readily
available on the market at that time would cost only a fraction of this
and perform better to boot.
The principle of "slack factor" was proposed some years ago in the
context of a computing task. Say you have to have a mass computing
capability in place, or complete a mass computing task, and that
solution needs to be in place in 2 years. It might cost $20k to buy the
cutting edge machines now. If you procrastinate, you might be able to
buy your machines 3 months ahead of the deadline and only pay $5k and
still get the job done on time. In fact if it's a huge fixed computing
task you need to solve, it might take 6 months with today's machines but
only 3 months with those available near the deadline.
One could wonder if the principle won't mean that you spend $30k for a
li-ion capacity that will last you for 7 years, but in 3 years the same
capacity would only cost $5k anyways. Or worse, the original $30k cells
are obsolete and less desirable than the new $5k technology and you toss
them anyways to get a better capacity, peak energy delivery, and faster
recharge capacility.
One possible paradox of the slack factor could be that if technology
continues to advance as an exponential rate, it NEVER makes sense to buy
a long term purchase! In a way it always makes sense to wait for the
technology to get better before engaging in a long term purchase before
buying- and after you've waited a year then it continues to make sense
to wait yet another year and so on ad infinitum. Sadly batt technology
hasn't had the problems of exponential growth of the technology. We
should be so lucky.
Danny
Ian Hooper wrote:
> Plus (supposedly) you should get 4x the cycle life with LFPs compared
> to lead.. time will tell here.
>
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I find that the Electro Automotive adapter that fits my Warp 9 that was
design for a 1992 C-10 V-6 also fits a bell housing of a Chevy 1956 256 V-8,
the 283's, the 327's, the 350's which also mates up to a 3, 4, 5, or 6 speed
manuals in the Muncie, Borg-Warner, Saganaw, Richmond manual transmissions
and the TH-350 and TH-400 Automatics.
For the early model Chevys uses a large flange crank where the flywheel bolt
pattern is 3.5 inch where the the later ones uses a 3 inch pattern. There
are flex plates, flywheels, and automatic front pump drives that are design
to fit either pattern.
I had Electro Automotive build be the adapter for a 1992 C-10 because my
master mechanic said that the top half of the bell housing pattern will fit
any Chevy engine which fits any transmission. The bottom half barely covers
the bottom of a 350 cu.in. bell housing, but all the bolt holes match up.
This adapter plate even has the same bolt pattern that is on my 1975 GE 11.5
inch traction motor which has a built in end bell that fits any GM
transmissions.
Just order the adapter for the engine that either takes the manual
transmission, which will also fit the automatic.
If they do not make the large flange motor coupler which Is use on my GE
motor shaft which is 1-3/8 inch diameter, just cut off the crank flange of
crankshaft and have a taper lock bushing machine into it. This larger
diameter allows for the pilot shaft of a manual transmission to go throw the
coupler and insert into the pilot bushing that is install in these motors.
Roland
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Motor Adapter plate
> Interesting. I Emailed Electro Automotive and asked them if they could
> make
> an Advance 9" look like a Chevy small block, so I could bolt up either a
> Chevy automatic trans or a Chevy manual trans. It's probably the same
> thing
> as one of the 90 degree V6's they list on their page. Here's the
> response:
>
> "Sorry, we don't do any adaptors for automatics."
>
> I just love a quick blow off. Note that this would be the same for either
> manual or auto, it just needs to look like a Chevy. Can this be so
> unusual?
>
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Poulsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Motor Adapter plate
>
>
> > Electro Automotive does a lot of adapter plates. They may already have
> > the type you need, or, if you need a custom one, they will pay to ship
> > the
> > transmission to them and back, just to add the pattern to their library,
> > as long as you end up buying the adapter from them.
> >
> > They're also active on this list.
> >
> > Adapter page:
> >
> > http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/adaptors.shtml
> >
> > Tehben Dean wrote:
> >> What is the normal/best place/way to get/make an adapter plate to mate
> >> the motor to the transmission?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tehben
> >>
> >> -Lithium batteries are totally <accent>sweeet!</accent>... but don't
> >> think about them, its bad for your morale-
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:30:14 -0500
From: Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The central problem remains that a useful volume of H2 can't readily be
stored in a practical-sized tank. First off you wouldn't store the O2
because that can be had from the air at any time and you can increase
your H2 capacity by 50% by using both for H2. Doesn't matter that the
electrolytic cell is on board, we still have no way to store the volume
of hydrogen it makes when it's plugged in and "recharging".
If you could make an efficient and practical way to store a useful mass
of H2, the world will beat a path to your door.
There's different ideas floating around, like storing the H2 in a solid
iron hydride and by heating it at lower pressure H2 will seep out
again. Still has efficiency, practicality, and capacity issues.
Danny
Tony Hwang wrote:
>I've thought of some sort of rechargable fuel cell, where the O and H are
>stored in tanks, and when discharged, you'd get water. Charging would seperate
>the water into O and H again. It would all be self contained.
>
> - Tony
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Mark Freidberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2007 3:07:39 PM
>Subject: Battery - Fuel Cell Hybrid Idea
>
>Check out my idea:
>
>1. Manufacture battery to *maximize* generation of
>Hydrogen when cycling, instead of maximizing
>recombination as SLAs do.
>
>2. Route the Hydrogen to the fuel cell side of the
>device, which then generates more power.
>
>3. Route waste water from fuel cell back into battery.
>
>4. Charge battery with any excess electrical output
>from fuel cell (like when's there's no other
>application demand on fuel cell). Of course also
>charge battery from wall as needed.
>
>
>Thoughts?
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>
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Cedric Lynch uses the 100Ah Thundersky (Cobalt chemistry) cells in his
motorcycle. He once rode 175 miles on a charge (average speed approx.
40mph).
The first generation of 100Ah cells would only deliver 10 Amp at 0
Centigrade and Cedric found he had to ride them as hard as possible when
that cold to generate heat in the internal resistance or he wouldn't get
much range. Cedric has NO insulation, or indeed battery boxes. He changed
the cells fairly recently and found that the current generation were capable
of delivering 100 Amp at 0 Centigrade, ten times better than before. The
other characteristics were pretty much the same.
Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
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www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
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> It's been a while since I posted an update on the older TS 200ah cells,
> but
> with the recent discussion on the list, here is what my real world EV
> experience over 20,000 miles tells me.
>
> 1) I bought 30x200ah TS cells in August 2003 (Nearly four years ago)
>
> 2) I use them in my pure EV van at www.solarvan.co.uk
>
> 3) Initially I used all 30 cells in a 108v DC drive setup.
>
> 4) 2 years ago I changed to a 28 cell 96v AC regen drive. (I have two
> spare
> cells now)
>
> 5) The cells have worked absolutely fine over this time.
>
> 6) They are rugged and easy to link together (unlike Kokam), and do not
> require a complicated BMS. I use Cedric Lynch's simple cell protectors,
> and
> a Zivan NG3 IUa charger.
>
> http://agnimotors.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Item
> id=39
>
> 7) They do not burst into flame or explode at the drop of a hat, a switch
> fault a while ago meant my cell protectors became disconnected during a
> charge cycle, the zivan charger just completed it's normal cycle and
> switched itself off with no harm done. (It was adjusted initially to
> provide
> about the right pack end voltage though)
>
> 8) They are ageing of course, and this manifests itself as higher internal
> resistance rather than reduced capacity. This means it is more difficult
> to
> charge or discharge them quickly, as the voltage rises too high or drops
> too
> low at high currents, and they heat up more quickly.
>
> 9) They do not like cold weather, and need to be at a minimum 20C+ to work
> effectively now. 25C-35C is better. (I keep them in a heated insulated
> box)
>
> 10) The voltage sag under load is increasing as they age, especially at
> low
> temp. A fully charged cell at 20C will still supply 300A+ but the voltage
> will drop from 4.2v to <2.5v under load. I try to keep to <200A max
> discharge current. When warm at 30C+ voltage sag is much less.
>
> 11) When regen is operating, partly charged cells will still accept charge
> currents of upto 100A, so long as the cell temp is at least 25C.
>
> 12) The limiting factor in their life in my vehicle will be the internal
> resistance build up to the point they cannot deliver the currents required
> without damage/overheating. I estimate at the current resistance increase
> rate they may last another 3 years in my EV application. This gives me a
> useful life of 7 years. Range is not my limiting factor as my work commute
> is 26 miles a day total.
>
> 13) They may well still be ok as a standby power pack, or ev charge dump
> pack when EV life is over. I certainly won't be skiping them anytime soon.
>
> 14) Would I buy them again? Yes, and I would never go back to lead again.
> Once you have been spoilt by Li-Ion range/capacity you just can't put up
> with anything less.
>
> In conclusion I would buy TS cells again tommorrow, I recommend 200ah
> cells
> as the mimimum size for most systems, the newer TS 200ah cells are 1.5x
> heavier than the ones I bought, and I understand have lower internal
> resistance, and can deliver higher currents. Technology marches on, and I
> expect their performance will continue to improve. You could wait forever
> for the EV battery holy grail, and be dead before it arrives, I and the
> other early adopters of these TS cells took a big gamble. For me it paid
> off
> and I have been very happy with them. Good luck.
>
> Peter
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:12:36 -0800
From: MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Motor Adapter plate
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
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I what they're trying to say is that they won't build you a plate for a
particular automatic since presumably if someone were to buy one they would
also want help making the auto tranny work. I haven't done it, but I won't say
it can't be done. Attnetion to extra details could make it happen.
With that said if they can build you a plate for a particular standard
transmission that is in their library that happens to also fit an automatic,
then you can buy one. I just wouldn't expect help from them in making the
automatic transmission work with a motor that stops when the car does.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak
Some of my previous e-mails on this subject seem to have made it into
never-never land of the EVDL server :-(
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 8, 2007 10:13 am
Subject: Re: Motor Adapter plate
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Interesting. I Emailed Electro Automotive and asked them if they
> could make
> an Advance 9" look like a Chevy small block, so I could bolt up
> either a
> Chevy automatic trans or a Chevy manual trans. It's probably the
> same thing
> as one of the 90 degree V6's they list on their page. Here's the
> response:
> "Sorry, we don't do any adaptors for automatics."
>
> I just love a quick blow off. Note that this would be the same for
> either
> manual or auto, it just needs to look like a Chevy. Can this be so
> unusual?
> Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Poulsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Motor Adapter plate
>
>
> > Electro Automotive does a lot of adapter plates. They may
> already have
> > the type you need, or, if you need a custom one, they will pay to
> ship the
> > transmission to them and back, just to add the pattern to their
> library,
> > as long as you end up buying the adapter from them.
> >
> > They're also active on this list.
> >
> > Adapter page:
> >
> > http://www.electroauto.com/catalog/adaptors.shtml
> >
> > Tehben Dean wrote:
> >> What is the normal/best place/way to get/make an adapter plate
> to mate
> >> the motor to the transmission?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tehben
> >>
> >> -Lithium batteries are totally <accent>sweeet!... but don't
> >> think about them, its bad for your morale-
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Just do at test on installing a wire terminal or battery clamp onto a fine
strand aluminum wire, if you can find it in the large size cable. Normally
the smallest size we use for over head line work is a soft drawn aluminum
strands that is wound over a plate steel messenger wire.
When we crimp connectors over this type of wire, the aluminum strands are
heavy enough, (the No. 6 AWG strands are about a No. 10 wire size), to
prevent them from squeezing in two. The plated steel wire provides the
suspension strength or without, this wire will keep sagging until it breaks
in half.
Take some small strand aluminum wire and strip off the insulation of enough
wire to make it the same diameter as a 2/0 wire size. Than try to crimp
this into a connector. You will find you will fracture this wire and it
will break off at the connector when bended.
Roland
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From: "chad plantenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: aluminum wire for EVs?
> one of the reasons aluminum has fallen out of disuse in the
> construction industry (aside from the larger guages) was bending
> fatigue. someone may have some better knowledge - but in a vehicle
> with constant road vibrations - i would think that aluminum would be
> expected to have a shorter servicable life (possibly premature
> failure?).
> chad
>
> On 6/7/07, Marcin Ciosek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sure, you can use aluminum but to compensate lower conductivity you need
> > to
> > increase wire thickness. I use factor of 1.4 to for replacing copper
> > with
> > aluminum. If you use to thin wire you will loose some of energy on heat.
> >
> > Marcin
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: RE: Power of DC, BC EV Show, & other misc. Race Stuff
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:14:59 -0700
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John Wayland wrote:
> Roger, say hello to everyone for me up north, and thanks for the
> invite...the BC EVent has always been my favorite EV show
> show, though the Gasless on Greenwood SEVA thing is way cool,
> too. Maybe we can return to Canada next year?
You bet.
I knew the odds were slim of you making it up with an EV, especially on
such short notice, but thought just maybe you could be enticed into a
road trip with the Insight ;^>
These days it is hard to turn around without tripping over a Prius, but
Insights are a rare sight...
We'll keep our fingers crossed for next year, as the venue this year
(like last) is smaller than in the past (though a nice beachside
location) but next year we've got a larger venue planned and so things
should be quite interesting.
Cheers,
Roger.
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