EV Digest 6975
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: J150 Battery
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: AC HP or kW
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: Adapter Problem
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: News Flash from PIR & New World Record
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Zombie breaks nothing except 110 mph
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by "Andrew Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) mechanical differential OR fancy controller
by James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Zombie breaks nothing except 110 mph
by "Loni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: mechanical differential OR fancy controller
by James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: mechanical differential OR fancy controller
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: mechanical differential OR fancy controller
by James Drysdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Rob&Amy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Getting set for a Sunday Workshop day
by Nikki Bloomfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Getting set for a Sunday Workshop day
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Getting set for a Sunday Workshop day
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: J150 Battery
by "jerryd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Flogging a dead horse - L91 vs X91
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: WZ cool advertising was: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 27 Jun 2007 at 15:57, Joseph T. wrote:
> I came across these batteries:
>
> http://www.trojan-battery.com/Products/ProductSpec.aspx?Name=J150
>
> http://www.trojan-battery.com/Products/ProductSpec.aspx?Name=T-1275
>
> They seem to basically be 6 volt batteries merged together.
I tried to look at the links, but they produce error messages in my browser.
I've read about these batteries. I wonder - if they're effectively just two
6v golf car batteries, why not use the golf car batteries? They shouldn't
weigh much more, and will give you more flexibility in your battery layout.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 27 Jun 2007 at 18:13, Roger Stockton wrote:
> Most flooded PbA batteries will also have a
> capacity rating specified at the 5-hour rate (C/5, or often C.sub.5).
I think this is usually expressed as C5. I'm pretty sure the expression C/5
means the 20 hour capacity divided by 5. (But I might be wrong. This
nomenclature is terribly confusing.)
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On 29 Jun 2007 at 10:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> AC compressor is supposed to take 5 HP or 4 kW of power off the engine to
> function. according to wikipedia.
>
> At 156 volts, that's about 25 amps when loaded.
>
This seems a bit high to me. A Solectria Force aircon (BLDC motor driving
stock Geo Metro compressor) uses about 7 amps at 144 volts = 1kW.
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I made a detailed drawing showing all the dimensions between all the holes. I
also made a grease rubbing on a large piece of
paper to send along as a check. When I finaly got it, it fit nice and tight
Mike
> Tehben Dean wrote:
>
> What did you do to make yours fit?
>
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Well all of the hard work and long hours and weeks of preparation have
finally paid off big time. On it's fourth run of the night Tim Brehm piloted
the over zealous Zombie into the elevens and into the record books with a
blistering 11.948 second ET at almost 110 mph. Terminal speed was 109.75
mph. The powerful Enersys batteries just keep on putting out more after each
run. The sixty foot time was a very impressive 1.667 so not only is it
pulling hard on the far end it is still launching like a son of a b**ch! The
eighth mile was also impressive with a 7.520 ET at almost 90 mph, 89.48 to
be exact. The 11.948 is a new world record as it is backed up with the
12.037 run. John said they will make one more run tonight and then head
home. My most profound congratulations go out to John and Tim and Jim of
course hiding in the shadows somewhere tonight. His motor has held up well
under this new extreme performance. By the way, they never did turn up the
controller past 1000 battery amps and the Enersys batteries will take 1500.
John is just so conservative you know :-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
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Hi Jim,
I am home sick as a dog myself. I must have caught it from you off my
keyboard. Been down for three days now. Sounds like the same shit. Take care
of yourself and much congratulations!!!
Roderick
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From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: News Flash from PIR & New World Record
Hey Rod, all
What fantastic news as I sit here sick as a dog with
some summer cold that's going around here 8^(
Last John had told me it had looked like rain again
and I thought it had been put off again. EVen had I
known I wouldn't have gone over feeling like I do, but
this sure makes the sniffles and coughing just a bit
better to take, lol.
Thanks for the update Rod!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Hey Rod, all
What awesome news! What's really cool is that
EVerything was caught by Wall Street and PBS. So many
times things look good on paper or in testing and then
fail when you're in the spotlight, LMAO!
Looks like 15 degrees of advancement may just set a
new placement bar. John and I really felt like it was
a good move but it's nice to get some data, and he
didn't lose anything off the line, so he's just got to
be tickled about his predictions.
Anyway I bet John and Tim are just pumped!
I guess this was what Marko was talking about when he
said his 9" just loved the over advancement on the
freeways 8^) This gives a little more data though.
Anyway thanks for the rocking updates! I almost feel
human again, LMAO!
Anyway hopefully he keeps it turned down and saves a
little something for us at the Wayland invitational
8^)
You know, this almost makes it worth putting up with
him 8^o
Cya
Jim Husted
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Hey all
John just called and said they did another 11 sec run.
John was beside himself and wrapping up to go have
dinner and celabrate so I didn't get the exact time
8^( He did say that WZ exceeded 110 MPH so it had to
have been a great run and smoked the guy who was
running a 454 ICE 8^o
Much congrats to John and Tim on a great day of
racing. Just wanted to shoot in an update.
I look forward to getting Waylands full report.
Cya
Jim Husted
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On the final run of the night the little "White Zombie" lined up against a
snorting big block built to the hilt 455 cu in V8 stuffed into a small light
bright orange Pontiac Tempest with a black hood. Of course it was no match
as the Zombie reeled off another run in the 11s with an ET of 11.960 at
110.14 mph. The poor Pontiac went home with his tail between it's legs with
a 12.523 at 108.7 mph. I wonder when EV Muscle will become a mainstream
gearhead turn.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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So cool! I can't wait to see some video of this.
Now *I'm* going to go celebrate this historic event... with KARAOKE!
Sigh... I only wish I were kidding.
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Yes thanks Rod for the excellent coverage! And congrats to Tim and John and
Jim. This is great, you'll have to let us know when
the Street is going to run the story.
Is WZ running the new 3.70 gears yet? Or are they saving it for the lithiums
next month?
If the 4.11 is still in I figure they were turning 6299 rpm at 110.14 mph on
the motor.
With the 3.70, even at only 6000 rpm they would run about 116.54 mph. If the
hole shot only suffers a couple tenths, the over
110mph part at the end will more than make up for it. Although with the
lowered weight of the lithium pack the hole shot should
improve, even with the taller gear.
So Rod, when he's knocking on 10's will the Maniac Mazda come out of retirement?
I can't wait until next month.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Jim Husted
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:02 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
>
>
> Hey Rod, all
>
> What awesome news!
>
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G'day all.
Situation is this:
Use a single 750W motor to drive a differential which will drive a pair
of wheels.
OR
Use two 350W motors to independently drive each side-by-side wheel, and
use an electronic control system to vary the speed of the outer & inner
wheels when turning left-right.
Motors will be mounted on a bike trailer which will be 0.7m (2.3ft) wide.
Opinions?
I figure that an EV list such as this would have people with experience
and/or knowledge in this area.
Cheers,
James Drysdale.
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I'm completely thrilled by this news. EV Muscle strikes again! I can't wait
for the Invitational. Congrats to everyone involved.
Lon Hull
Portland, OR
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:16 PM
Subject: Zombie breaks nothing except 110 mph
On the final run of the night the little "White Zombie" lined up against a
snorting big block built to the hilt 455 cu in V8 stuffed into a small
light bright orange Pontiac Tempest with a black hood. Of course it was no
match as the Zombie reeled off another run in the 11s with an ET of 11.960
at 110.14 mph. The poor Pontiac went home with his tail between it's legs
with a 12.523 at 108.7 mph. I wonder when EV Muscle will become a
mainstream gearhead turn.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Replying to my own post.
Just thought of option 3.
1) Install two motors, one on each wheel.
2) Install a switch on the bike frame & handlebar shaft that makes
contact when the handlebars are turned beyond a certain angle.
The closing of this switch would completely disengage the motors,
therefore there would be no spinning/excess force of the inner wheel
when turning.
The possibility of jack-knife would also be reduced, as the trailer
would no longer be pushing the bike around a corner, but would be
relying on the cyclist to move his/her legs to pull it along.
And when the handlebars have straightened, on comes the motors.
Of course, there needs to be a delay circuit somewhere, as the bike &
trailer will take time to align to the new path after the handlebars
have returned to the forward steering position. Still, seems a great
deal simpler than coming up a differential system, be it mechanical or
electronic.
Sounds like a winner.
Any opinions on option 3?
Regards,
James Drysdale.
James Drysdale wrote:
> G'day all.
>
> Situation is this:
> Use a single 750W motor to drive a differential which will drive a pair
> of wheels.
> OR
> Use two 350W motors to independently drive each side-by-side wheel, and
> use an electronic control system to vary the speed of the outer & inner
> wheels when turning left-right.
>
> Motors will be mounted on a bike trailer which will be 0.7m (2.3ft) wide.
>
> Opinions?
> I figure that an EV list such as this would have people with experience
> and/or knowledge in this area.
>
> Cheers,
> James Drysdale.
>
>
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The two separate motors on the same controller should act as a natural
differential anyway. The motor on the inside turning
slower will pull just a little more current and the voltage on the outter motor
spinning faster will rise a little so the power to
each wheel should remain relatively the same. There won't be any binding. All
you have to do is let up on the throttle during a
tight turn like you would normaly do. Or starting off in a jacknife position
you would presumably only pedal power anyway. Or if
you're thinkng of a pusher trailer how about a one wheel trailer like
http://www.bobgear.com/trailers/trailers.php or
http://www.koolstop.com/trailers/index.php or
http://www.extrawheel.com/przyczepkiextrawheel_en.php You could really pack
some
battery around on one of those, with less rolling resistance of 1 wheel and
more aerodynamic than a wide kiddie two wheel trailer
:-)
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of James Drysdale
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: mechanical differential OR fancy controller
>
>
> Replying to my own post.
>
> Just thought of option 3.
>
> 1) Install two motors, one on each wheel.
> 2) Install a switch on the bike frame & handlebar shaft that makes
> contact when the handlebars are turned beyond a certain angle.
>
> The closing of this switch would completely disengage the motors,
> therefore there would be no spinning/excess force of the inner wheel
> when turning.
> The possibility of jack-knife would also be reduced, as the trailer
> would no longer be pushing the bike around a corner, but would be
> relying on the cyclist to move his/her legs to pull it along.
>
> And when the handlebars have straightened, on comes the motors.
> Of course, there needs to be a delay circuit somewhere, as the bike &
> trailer will take time to align to the new path after the handlebars
> have returned to the forward steering position. Still, seems a great
> deal simpler than coming up a differential system, be it mechanical or
> electronic.
>
> Sounds like a winner.
> Any opinions on option 3?
>
> Regards,
> James Drysdale.
>
>
>
> James Drysdale wrote:
> > G'day all.
> >
> > Situation is this:
> > Use a single 750W motor to drive a differential which will drive a pair
> > of wheels.
> > OR
> > Use two 350W motors to independently drive each side-by-side wheel, and
> > use an electronic control system to vary the speed of the outer & inner
> > wheels when turning left-right.
> >
> > Motors will be mounted on a bike trailer which will be 0.7m (2.3ft) wide.
> >
> > Opinions?
> > I figure that an EV list such as this would have people with experience
> > and/or knowledge in this area.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > James Drysdale.
> >
> >
>
>
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I had thought that turning would be more difficult and add extra force
on the frame & towing linkages as the two wheels on the trailer would
try to maintain a straight path. Guess I'll have to build it & see.
Either way, I reckon a dual motor setup is the way to go. All things
considered.
One wheel is not really an option, as the trailer is fairly large.
The reason I am welding one up myself is that I could not find a
factory-built trailer which was large enough.
James.
Mike Willmon wrote:
> The two separate motors on the same controller should act as a natural
> differential anyway. The motor on the inside turning
> slower will pull just a little more current and the voltage on the outter
> motor spinning faster will rise a little so the power to
> each wheel should remain relatively the same. There won't be any binding.
> All you have to do is let up on the throttle during a
> tight turn like you would normaly do. Or starting off in a jacknife position
> you would presumably only pedal power anyway. Or if
> you're thinkng of a pusher trailer how about a one wheel trailer like
> http://www.bobgear.com/trailers/trailers.php or
> http://www.koolstop.com/trailers/index.php or
> http://www.extrawheel.com/przyczepkiextrawheel_en.php You could really pack
> some
> battery around on one of those, with less rolling resistance of 1 wheel and
> more aerodynamic than a wide kiddie two wheel trailer
> :-)
>
> Mike,
> Anchorage, Ak.
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of James Drysdale
>> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: mechanical differential OR fancy controller
>>
>>
>> Replying to my own post.
>>
>> Just thought of option 3.
>>
>> 1) Install two motors, one on each wheel.
>> 2) Install a switch on the bike frame & handlebar shaft that makes
>> contact when the handlebars are turned beyond a certain angle.
>>
>> The closing of this switch would completely disengage the motors,
>> therefore there would be no spinning/excess force of the inner wheel
>> when turning.
>> The possibility of jack-knife would also be reduced, as the trailer
>> would no longer be pushing the bike around a corner, but would be
>> relying on the cyclist to move his/her legs to pull it along.
>>
>> And when the handlebars have straightened, on comes the motors.
>> Of course, there needs to be a delay circuit somewhere, as the bike &
>> trailer will take time to align to the new path after the handlebars
>> have returned to the forward steering position. Still, seems a great
>> deal simpler than coming up a differential system, be it mechanical or
>> electronic.
>>
>> Sounds like a winner.
>> Any opinions on option 3?
>>
>> Regards,
>> James Drysdale.
>>
>>
>>
>> James Drysdale wrote:
>>
>>> G'day all.
>>>
>>> Situation is this:
>>> Use a single 750W motor to drive a differential which will drive a pair
>>> of wheels.
>>> OR
>>> Use two 350W motors to independently drive each side-by-side wheel, and
>>> use an electronic control system to vary the speed of the outer & inner
>>> wheels when turning left-right.
>>>
>>> Motors will be mounted on a bike trailer which will be 0.7m (2.3ft) wide.
>>>
>>> Opinions?
>>> I figure that an EV list such as this would have people with experience
>>> and/or knowledge in this area.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> James Drysdale.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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I've never really been a fan of Wayland's choices in donor cars :) but
the resulting times on the strip serves a powerful example and now even
faster is even better.
The few examples like his made me see the superiority of the EV which we
have only seen a fraction of so far.
what was the new configuration as opposed to the old?
Dan
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C/5 is Capacity (C) divided by 5
5C is 5 times C
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: ???kWh EV battery pack
On 27 Jun 2007 at 18:13, Roger Stockton wrote:
Most flooded PbA batteries will also have a
capacity rating specified at the 5-hour rate (C/5, or often C.sub.5).
I think this is usually expressed as C5. I'm pretty sure the expression
C/5
means the 20 hour capacity divided by 5. (But I might be wrong. This
nomenclature is terribly confusing.)
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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That is awesome! Thanks for the updates, and congrats to John and
his minions :-0
Rob
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oups, i forgot important thing:
C/5 is Capacity (C) divided by 5 >>hours<<
Cordialement,
Philippe
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From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: ???kWh EV battery pack
C/5 is Capacity (C) divided by 5
5C is 5 times C
Cordialement,
Philippe
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: ???kWh EV battery pack
On 27 Jun 2007 at 18:13, Roger Stockton wrote:
Most flooded PbA batteries will also have a
capacity rating specified at the 5-hour rate (C/5, or often C.sub.5).
I think this is usually expressed as C5. I'm pretty sure the expression
C/5
means the 20 hour capacity divided by 5. (But I might be wrong. This
nomenclature is terribly confusing.)
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Administrator
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Hi folks,
Well, I'm jumping around for glee at the moment as last week I landed
an awesome deal for some 100AH Thundersky cells (I know some of your
guys don't like them ;) ) for my City El.
12 Cells should give me a nominal voltage around 42 V which is
obviously 6 V higher than the 36V nominal lead acid pack it's
replacing. The controller and DC/DC converter can take the extra
beating as it's within tolerances - and the charger can be turned way
up to the required 50.5 V. The important thing though is the weight
reduction; pack weight will be down to 77 lbs (US) from the pervious
lead acid's hefty 220 lbs. That is one heck of a reduction on a car
whose GVW is just over 800 lbs in standard lead acid form with.
I know that 42V of lead acid (280 lbs pack weight) took me up to 45
mph. Any guesses on how fast I'll go now?
Nikki.
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Thanks Rod, EV are having fun time in USA !
Mister Conservative, aka John "EV parts terminator" Wayland, keep the
wonderful work and please...turn the Amps up as now WZ passed 12" we want to
see low 11' ;^)
Respect and congratulations at whole WZ team :^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:41 AM
Subject: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
Well all of the hard work and long hours and weeks of preparation have
finally paid off big time. On it's fourth run of the night Tim Brehm
piloted the over zealous Zombie into the elevens and into the record books
with a blistering 11.948 second ET at almost 110 mph. Terminal speed was
109.75 mph. The powerful Enersys batteries just keep on putting out more
after each run. The sixty foot time was a very impressive 1.667 so not
only is it pulling hard on the far end it is still launching like a son of
a b**ch! The eighth mile was also impressive with a 7.520 ET at almost 90
mph, 89.48 to be exact. The 11.948 is a new world record as it is backed
up with the 12.037 run. John said they will make one more run tonight and
then head home. My most profound congratulations go out to John and Tim
and Jim of course hiding in the shadows somewhere tonight. His motor has
held up well under this new extreme performance. By the way, they never
did turn up the controller past 1000 battery amps and the Enersys
batteries will take 1500. John is just so conservative you know :-)
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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36V give 45MPH
42V will give (42X45)/36 = 52,5MPH
Cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait du volant, quel carburant choisiriez-vous
?
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Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikki Bloomfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Getting set for a Sunday Workshop day
Hi folks,
Well, I'm jumping around for glee at the moment as last week I landed an
awesome deal for some 100AH Thundersky cells (I know some of your guys
don't like them ;) ) for my City El.
12 Cells should give me a nominal voltage around 42 V which is obviously
6 V higher than the 36V nominal lead acid pack it's replacing. The
controller and DC/DC converter can take the extra beating as it's within
tolerances - and the charger can be turned way up to the required 50.5 V.
The important thing though is the weight reduction; pack weight will be
down to 77 lbs (US) from the pervious lead acid's hefty 220 lbs. That
is one heck of a reduction on a car whose GVW is just over 800 lbs in
standard lead acid form with.
I know that 42V of lead acid (280 lbs pack weight) took me up to 45 mph.
Any guesses on how fast I'll go now?
Nikki.
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On 6/30/07, Nikki Bloomfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know that 42V of lead acid (280 lbs pack weight) took me up to 45
mph. Any guesses on how fast I'll go now?
Good news!
I guess you'll go 46mph now :-p
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Hi David, Joseph and All,
Most battery companies make different size
cells and then put them in different battery cases. This
means a small, like I believe the J150 is, or even large 6
vdc batt could and usually does use the same cells as an 8v
or 12v battery. This was told to me by a Trojan engineer
amoung other sources.
One way to get lighter, cheaper batts would
be buying just the cell insides, putting them into a custom
built in cell box used as part of the body/frame. That is if
one can get cell insides anymore.
The links didn't work for me either.
Way to go Wayland!!
Jerry Dycus
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: J150 Battery
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:13:36 -0400
>On 27 Jun 2007 at 15:57, Joseph T. wrote:
>
>> I came across these batteries:
>>
>>
>http://www.trojan-battery.com/Products/ProductSpec.aspx?Name=J150
>>
>>
>http://www.trojan-battery.com/Products/ProductSpec.aspx?Name=T-1275
>>
>> They seem to basically be 6 volt batteries merged
>together.
>
>I tried to look at the links, but they produce error
>messages in my browser.
>
>I've read about these batteries. I wonder - if they're
>effectively just two 6v golf car batteries, why not use
>the golf car batteries? They shouldn't weigh much more,
>and will give you more flexibility in your battery layout.
>
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>EV List Administrator
>
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Dan,
You can see the whole 13 year history of the White Zombie here
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/reviews.php
John's car is also what made me see the superiority of the EV as well. While
EVer since I was a 7 year old kid and my dad show'd
me a City Car at a dealership, I've always been interested. But like the
mindset of the many I thought they were slow and
unEVentful. With the rising price of gasoline a handful of years ago my
interest again rose but it wan't until I saw videos of
the White Zombie smoking the Mustang's, Vette's and Vipers that I decided I
would build one. Now I have a daily driver and show
it religously EVery chance I get. The parts in it are pretty, and I'm proud of
them. (and for the price I paidfor them they
better be pretty too ;-) But that hot rod kid in me still wants the EVentful
driver.
While I can see all the decision choices that led John to pick the Datsun
(there maybe some I don't know about) something tells me
there is a better choice. Not that I'm an All American die hard, probably the
same decision choices John made led me to convert a
Mitsubishi pickup, however for the prestige of running an electric dragster,
with all "Made in America" components I had to look
for car that matched. Unlike my recently sold Ford F-350 that was "Made in
Canada" and "Assembled in Mexico", the Ford Pinto was
**Made in America** (Kentucky was the plant where my particular donor was
built). I figure knowing that Plasmaboy is a dyed in
the wool Red, White and Blue American boy, I should be able to do a little
ribbing on his Red Dot Datsun. I may never get into
his record, but I will be running a Ford rear axle, on a Ford car ;-) I know
that talk is cheap while I still don't have it
running, but I have on good word JW was seen somewhere ogling my motors and
wishing he could fit those bad boys in his Datsun ;-P
(and probably sitting on them with his hairy but crack showing) At least they
weren't painted yet. (Jim tell me they weren't
painted yet ;-)
Anyway, back to my point, John's example is truely inspiring, and knowing his
involvement in EVery component I'm running on my
vehicles is a true testiment to his devotion. That kind of dedication to the
cause is worthy of the support I give by buying
those components. Although at a premium, I know the designs weren't by some
big company who wants to mass produce cheap products.
Quality is what I'm interested in. I know that in today's world of fast and
cheap, Quality is the 3rd consideration out of 3. I'm
not into sacrificing the quality. If I can contribute to the improvement I will
do so freely. If I can't I won't get in the way
of those who are.
In the meantime let this be fair warning to John Wayland, I'm coming for you
bro! Ugly ass Pinto and all.
;-)
Mike,
Ancorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Dan Frederiksen
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:09 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
>
>
> I've never really been a fan of Wayland's choices in donor cars :) but
> the resulting times on the strip serves a powerful example and now even
> faster is even better.
> The few examples like his made me see the superiority of the EV which we
> have only seen a fraction of so far.
>
> what was the new configuration as opposed to the old?
>
> Dan
>
>
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Philippe thats funny, the "EV Parts Terminator", heh heh. Must be a little
evil triplet thing starting up now? Maybe the little
red glow behind the sunglasses gave him away. I see some wicked cool
advertising going on there. Maybe not tame enough for the
Wall Street, but hey, maybe Hot Rod (or MAD Magazine) would pick something like
this up. Dude, I can John Wayland guest hosting
Saturday Night Live in the Electric Terminator Mobile, I'm dying laughing now
and I can't even type. Help me out there Jim...he
he, hoo hoo, ha Zombie doing a burnout on stage (bacuae there's no CO fumes
and he;'s allowed to bring it onto the set), Wyaland
getting out after smoking the whole cast..... **I'll Be Baaach, in 11 Seconds
Flaaat**
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Philippe Borges
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:26 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
>
>
> Thanks Rod, EV are having fun time in USA !
>
> Mister Conservative, aka John "EV parts terminator" Wayland, keep the
> wonderful work and please...turn the Amps up as now WZ passed 12" we want to
> see low 11' ;^)
>
> Respect and congratulations at whole WZ team :^)
>
> Cordialement,
> Philippe
>
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*sigh* Sorry, I'm still confused..
So the X91 produces more torque at a given voltage (drawing more
current)? But then, this document suggests the L91 can handle more
current, and has higher peak HP:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/products/mt2115/
mt2115peakmotoroutput.PDF
Meanwhile evparts.com says the L91 is only rated to 120V while the
X91 is rated to 144V? I thought it'd be the other way around, hmm.
What would ye experts recommend as the best pair of 6.7s to
complement a 128V lithium pack rated to 1600 amps?
-Ian
PS: Congrats to everyone involved with White Zombie, what a great
milestone!
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Congratulation John, Jim, Tim. And thanks for the
updates Rod. I'm only sorry I don't live close enough
to view it for myself. Great job guys.
--- Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well all of the hard work and long hours and weeks
> of preparation have
> finally paid off big time. On it's fourth run of the
> night Tim Brehm piloted
> the over zealous Zombie into the elevens and into
> the record books with a
> blistering 11.948 second ET at almost 110 mph.
> Terminal speed was 109.75
> mph. The powerful Enersys batteries just keep on
> putting out more after each
> run. The sixty foot time was a very impressive 1.667
> so not only is it
> pulling hard on the far end it is still launching
> like a son of a b**ch! The
> eighth mile was also impressive with a 7.520 ET at
> almost 90 mph, 89.48 to
> be exact. The 11.948 is a new world record as it is
> backed up with the
> 12.037 run. John said they will make one more run
> tonight and then head
> home. My most profound congratulations go out to
> John and Tim and Jim of
> course hiding in the shadows somewhere tonight. His
> motor has held up well
> under this new extreme performance. By the way, they
> never did turn up the
> controller past 1000 battery amps and the Enersys
> batteries will take 1500.
> John is just so conservative you know :-)
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
>
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yeah i was thinking same thing when i wrote it :^)
Just imagine this film story board:
...
John sleeping at home, we see 7H00 29 june 2039 on the LCD high tech clock,
camera switch to outside, lot's of EV or plug-in biodiesel hybrid are
charging EVerywhere.
back to John, he is dreaming:
we see 3 men catching him at end of his work journey and throughing him
inside a van, van sticker company name say:
AevWC
under in tiny letters:
Against ev world company
suddenly camera switch to a big empty sub parking place, at middle of it
john is firmly attached to a "medical chair" with lot's of people wearing
white clothes and high tech medical tools arround him...
large plan on his slowly closing eyes,
light is coming down, screen become dark.
Bright light, John is awaking, we see what he see: clock is ringing, we are
7H00, on the wall a paper calendar indicate 29 june 2007 with noted in red
fonts >Important Race<
We are now outside looking at White zombie racing "homevan" (i don't know
the exact english term)
then...Terminator soundtrack....
John is now going out of the race homevan, He wears Terminator leather,
boots and sunglasses
approching of race line...he stop
Now we see what he is seeing:
On the left of red vision screen, transparency effect WZ ready on the race
line, red colourized (as from Terminator movie) computer analysed pictures,
scanned items following his (our) vision :
-siamese motor
then at right of our vision screen, appears Jim upright image, under him in
Red fonts: Conceptor to be eliminated !
-Zilla controller
then at right of our vision screen, appears Otmar upright image, under him
in Red fonts: Conceptor to be eliminated !
-PFC charger
then at right of our vision screen, appears Rich upright image, under him in
Red fonts: Conceptor to be eliminated !
-Same for Hawker batteries (image of Hawker CEO :^)
this scanning action is "fast", takes just few seconds...
now we have whole scene with normal vision as seen from race track public
he goes into WZ...
light red, red, orange, green, WZ start with front tires 10 inch from the
ground,
camera is following WZ as if it was not possible to catch up with
WZ win the race (ridicoulising one more badly testosteroned V8) and slow
finally down, the camera can now catch it up, goes inside the cockpit, we
are now seeing what John "Ev parts Terminator" is seeing.
Terminator vision screen:
Error...
Error...
Error...
Abnormal program termination
then at right of our vision screen, appears Jim upright image, under him in
Red fonts: Conceptor To be congratulated !
then at right of our vision screen, appears Otmar upright image, under him
in Red fonts: Conceptor To be congratulated !
then at right of our vision screen, appears Rich upright image, under him in
Red fonts: Conceptor To be congratulated !
etc.
Entering Reset mode
Plasmaboys racing team mode ON
Mission number 1:
protect health
Mission number 2:
inform public about EV existance
Mission number 3:
Kick ass of all infernal combustion engine race cars
END
That's all folks
:^)
hope my english movie story board is not to crypted ;^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
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?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
Philippe thats funny, the "EV Parts Terminator", heh heh. Must be a
little evil triplet thing starting up now? Maybe the little
red glow behind the sunglasses gave him away. I see some wicked cool
advertising going on there. Maybe not tame enough for the
Wall Street, but hey, maybe Hot Rod (or MAD Magazine) would pick something
like this up. Dude, I can John Wayland guest hosting
Saturday Night Live in the Electric Terminator Mobile, I'm dying laughing
now and I can't even type. Help me out there Jim...he
he, hoo hoo, ha Zombie doing a burnout on stage (bacuae there's no CO
fumes and he;'s allowed to bring it onto the set), Wyaland
getting out after smoking the whole cast..... **I'll Be Baaach, in 11
Seconds Flaaat**
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Philippe Borges
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:26 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Zombie Rips into the 11s !!!!
Thanks Rod, EV are having fun time in USA !
Mister Conservative, aka John "EV parts terminator" Wayland, keep the
wonderful work and please...turn the Amps up as now WZ passed 12" we want
to
see low 11' ;^)
Respect and congratulations at whole WZ team :^)
Cordialement,
Philippe
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