EV Digest 7077
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Hanging with Victor...EVision description
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Battery for a Bicycle?
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Insurance
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Battery for a Bicycle?
by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Battery for a Bicycle?
by Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Potenza RE92 was Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Hanging with Victor...EVision description
by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: AGNS and OJ make record runs in Memphis, TN
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Potenza RE92/LRR tires
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: checking claims for couregges exe and tesla roadster
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: checking claims for couregges exe and tesla roadster
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: New Lion Electric Vehicles. Starting under 30k.
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) replacing controller caps
by Michael Mohlere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: AGNS takes NEDRA record # 6
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: DIY Electric Car Forums
by Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires - tire width vs RR
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yeah, that article was over the top to be sure. Decades old though? Yikes!
Again, one of the 20 year old tires on my Corvair Rampside exploded while
sitting in the RV space last week. Those tires were quite new when they were
last used. They were not mounted to the vehicle while stored. In fact, they
were garaged. A six year old tire is going to be hard and comparatively unsafe.
A 20 year old tire is just crazy.
Brian
---- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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I can think of endless numbers of cases where people with old or classic cars
are running tires that are
decades old. So my guess is that the percent degradation is low. It
would only matter in cases where the tire was already being run at its
full load capacity even when new.
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The speed sensor itself is about $30. Without it you won't
be able to tell drive efficiency, but you still will see the
power consumption at any time.
Asking not to take it out is like asking not to take useful
navigation system out of Prius while make it "lite" (less
expensive).
This is an option, so if you want it, you just get version with
sensor, I don't see what is the worry. OHOH, few people said -
EVision does too many things for their likes - they would be happy
with $25 Ah raw counter, nothing more. I guess you get
as many opinions as many people you ask.
Lite version will not have speed sensor and also data streaming
ability for those who just want to drive and don't care about
technicality of it. That's the plan. Again, if one doesn't like
spartan version, there is always full featured one.
Victor
Joseph T. wrote:
"later I will make lite (cheaper) version
with reduced features set. No speed sensor there (and of
course no Eh/mile efficiency data available either)."
Just some advice, in my very humble opinion. If I were you, I wouldn't
get rid of the speed sensor in the lite version (Unless, of course, it
is a major part of the price.) Anyone who has an EV, will want info
about its power consumption. Getting rid of the wh/mile, is like
getting rid of the big mpg display in a hybrid!
On 7/28/07, Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bill, yes I did, will reply.
Victor
Bill Dennis wrote:
Victor, did you receive the off-list Email that I sent you?
Bill Dennis
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I'm testing their PE-1150 18650 cells, for which they provide cycle
life data at 10C *continuous* - does inspire confidence! Max
instantaneous would be something like 20-30C I guess. (A dead short
across a cell gives 44C, for interest.)
Buying from PHET directly, they're US$2.80 each, but of course that's
in significant quantities. (My order of 500 was considered a "sample"
order..)
-Ian
On 28/07/2007, at 10:07 PM, vehiculeselectriques.free.fr wrote:
I suppose these are their 10C max capable 18650 cells ?
Can you comment on their price please ?
Philippe
2007/7/26, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm actually testing some PHET batteries at present, having received
a batch of 500x 18650s from them about a week ago:
http://www.zeva.com.au/PHET.jpg
So far they seem pretty good, but I've got a lot more testing to do
yet. I'll write up the results in a few weeks.
-Ian
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As a thought, you might want to contact a lawyer up front on that "special"
policy coverage. If you have it written up into your policy, you are
probably covered if the accident it yours. BTW, when you contact the lawyer,
make sure he'll cover you in case of an accident.
My policy covered the additions I made to my car. However, when a 17 year
old slammed into the back of it (even knocking the springs from under its
rear) I found I was the owner of a $2000 auto... despite having a rig worth
more than twice that amount. Progressive would not pay more than the car
would sell for at "average"... which meant no custom work or improvements.
Simply what a standard car would go for if it weren't updated. Oh, and
lawyers weren't interested, unless it was a case of injury. Your policy may
cover it... but they don't pay if it's some else's fault.
Make sure it's written into your policy, also. What your agent tells you and
what your policy covers is 2 different things altogether.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Insurance
> Howdy Bart.
> I'm with Allstate. They sell a "stated value
> policy", so that if I get totaled, I get the $8,500
> cost of my on-board charger, batteries, controller,
> DCDC, etc., not the $3,000 a gas-burner Civic is
> worth.
> It merely requires that I have saved receipts and can
> prove the value is correct. I keep the same 50/100
> coverage or whatever we currently have. It costs me
> the same or less than a regular policy. You are wise
> to ask.
> peace,
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That's a good point, Brian. Tires do age, even when not exposed to UV...
such as when stored in a garage, or even on a tire rack. It's one reason
tire stores try to keep their merchandise revolving.
There has been major improvements in tires in the last three decades.
Unfortunately, on low mileage vehicles, the tires can literally "rot" on the
wheel before the tread wears out. It varies, but 6 year old tires should be
considered suspect, and even less if they have been run low and/or repaired.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Cc: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
> Yeah, that article was over the top to be sure. Decades old though? Yikes!
Again, one of the 20 year old tires on my Corvair Rampside exploded while
sitting in the RV space last week. Those tires were quite new when they were
last used. They were not mounted to the vehicle while stored. In fact, they
were garaged. A six year old tire is going to be hard and comparatively
unsafe. A 20 year old tire is just crazy.
>
> Brian
>
>
> ---- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> =============
> I can think of endless numbers of cases where people with old or classic
cars are running tires that are
> decades old. So my guess is that the percent degradation is low. It
> would only matter in cases where the tire was already being run at its
> full load capacity even when new.
>
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So...Are they good so far?
On 7/29/07, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm testing their PE-1150 18650 cells, for which they provide cycle
> life data at 10C *continuous* - does inspire confidence! Max
> instantaneous would be something like 20-30C I guess. (A dead short
> across a cell gives 44C, for interest.)
>
> Buying from PHET directly, they're US$2.80 each, but of course that's
> in significant quantities. (My order of 500 was considered a "sample"
> order..)
>
> -Ian
>
> On 28/07/2007, at 10:07 PM, vehiculeselectriques.free.fr wrote:
>
> > I suppose these are their 10C max capable 18650 cells ?
> > Can you comment on their price please ?
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > 2007/7/26, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> I'm actually testing some PHET batteries at present, having received
> >> a batch of 500x 18650s from them about a week ago:
> >>
> >> http://www.zeva.com.au/PHET.jpg
> >>
> >> So far they seem pretty good, but I've got a lot more testing to do
> >> yet. I'll write up the results in a few weeks.
> >>
> >> -Ian
> >>
>
>
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Not really far enough into testing to comment as yet - I'll keep you
posted :)
On 29/07/2007, at 2:59 PM, Joseph T. wrote:
So...Are they good so far?
On 7/29/07, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm testing their PE-1150 18650 cells, for which they provide cycle
life data at 10C *continuous* - does inspire confidence! Max
instantaneous would be something like 20-30C I guess. (A dead short
across a cell gives 44C, for interest.)
Buying from PHET directly, they're US$2.80 each, but of course that's
in significant quantities. (My order of 500 was considered a "sample"
order..)
-Ian
On 28/07/2007, at 10:07 PM, vehiculeselectriques.free.fr wrote:
I suppose these are their 10C max capable 18650 cells ?
Can you comment on their price please ?
Philippe
2007/7/26, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm actually testing some PHET batteries at present, having
received
a batch of 500x 18650s from them about a week ago:
http://www.zeva.com.au/PHET.jpg
So far they seem pretty good, but I've got a lot more testing to do
yet. I'll write up the results in a few weeks.
-Ian
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Not me, but I'm just another noob!
On 7/29/07, Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually I was going to ask if any one had any objections to be copying posts
> from the here to the forum. I didn't bother to ask since I'm such a noob, I
> didn't know how people might respond.
>
> So, would anyone have any objections to me copying emails over to the forum?
>
> Brian
>
>
> >Imagine, if you will,
> >that a human read the EVDL every day, deleted the spam, reformatted the
> >HTML posts so they were readable, changed the Subject lines to a
> >consistent format for fast searching, edited out mindless repetition,
> >and standardized the way data is presented. The result was posted on a
> >website daily, and also archived and indexed so you could easily look up
> >old posts or view all the posts in a particular thread together.
>
> >But here's the problem. Nobody wants to do the work. They want to
> >automate the above process, with some software package (that they didn't
> >write, either). The software isn't smart enough to do any of the above
> >things "right", so it winds up doing a half-assed job of it, creating
> >more problems than it solves. It looks prettier, but works worse.
>
>
>
> > Still bummed I wasn't worthy of an invite though,
>
> Like Groucho Marx said, "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as
> a member."
>
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
>
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Thanks for the responses guys.
Brian
---- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
Ricky Suiter wrote:
> The Potenza RE92's in the 165/65R14 and 175/65R14
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Thanks for the response. Yeah, my question was kind of silly.
On 7/29/07, Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The speed sensor itself is about $30. Without it you won't
> be able to tell drive efficiency, but you still will see the
> power consumption at any time.
>
> Asking not to take it out is like asking not to take useful
> navigation system out of Prius while make it "lite" (less
> expensive).
>
> This is an option, so if you want it, you just get version with
> sensor, I don't see what is the worry. OHOH, few people said -
> EVision does too many things for their likes - they would be happy
> with $25 Ah raw counter, nothing more. I guess you get
> as many opinions as many people you ask.
>
> Lite version will not have speed sensor and also data streaming
> ability for those who just want to drive and don't care about
> technicality of it. That's the plan. Again, if one doesn't like
> spartan version, there is always full featured one.
>
> Victor
>
>
> Joseph T. wrote:
> > "later I will make lite (cheaper) version
> > with reduced features set. No speed sensor there (and of
> > course no Eh/mile efficiency data available either)."
> >
> > Just some advice, in my very humble opinion. If I were you, I wouldn't
> > get rid of the speed sensor in the lite version (Unless, of course, it
> > is a major part of the price.) Anyone who has an EV, will want info
> > about its power consumption. Getting rid of the wh/mile, is like
> > getting rid of the big mpg display in a hybrid!
> >
> > On 7/28/07, Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Bill, yes I did, will reply.
> >>
> >> Victor
> >>
> >> Bill Dennis wrote:
> >>> Victor, did you receive the off-list Email that I sent you?
> >>>
> >>> Bill Dennis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Aussies? Oh no! Those guys don't need any encouragement. You should see what
they do with rotary motors. Yikes! :)
Brian
---- Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
=============
We need to get some Aussies into serious drag racing mode....
Stay Charged!
Hump
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: AGNS and OJ make record runs in Memphis, TN
>
> The Orange racing team just got back early this morning from an
> unexpected whirlwind trip to Memphis, Tennessee where we filmed two new
> segments for the upcoming Speed Channel show "Record Breakers" on
> Wednesday night. I got confirmation on Monday that we were invited to
> a special day of taping and racing for two new shows - "Blow em UP" and
> " Record Breakers". We started early and worked till 8pm to prep OJ
> and to finish putting the new 4 motor AGNS together. We got in a few
> parking lot launches by 8pm, loaded up and left for Memphis at 9:30,
> drove straight through and got to Memphis Raceway at 8:30 AM. The
> track was prepped beautifully, The weather was perfect, the sun was
> hot, and to top it off Top Fuel driver Clay Millican was on hand and
> greeted us with a handshake. We were scheduled to start filming at
> 11:00 am so we wasted no time setting up, charging, etc.... We needn't
> have hurried. Our time slot got pushed to 1pm, then 4pm, then 7pm.
> The delay was due to a variety of problems with the cars brought to
> film "Blow em up". Such is show business. We spent the entire day
> basking in the 95 degree heat, tweeking AGNS and OJ and checking
> everything over 10 times. We were told to have everything ready to go
> for sure at 7pm but found out that the crew needed a dinner break so we
> waited some more. Hey we drove 12 hrs to get there so there was
> nothing to do but wait. I was watching the beautiful sun which had
> kept the track so sticky all day that you could hardly walk across it
> start to set in the west. I could see what was coming but I couldn't
> stop it.
>
> At 7:30 we started fiming with interviews etc... We got OJ on the line
> at 8PM for a warm-up run. A quick burnout heated the tires, then we
> did a last second interview to set the stage. I explained our first
> goal of besting the 7 year old NEDRA 240 volt dragster record of 10.55
> @a 115 MPH, and our second of getting into the single digits. OJ
> launched perfectly on the hot track and ran a 10.26 @ 130 MPH on her
> warm-up run. Holy Cow!!!! This was worth the wait. I headed back to
> the pits for more interviews and to get AGNS ready to run. While I was
> there OJ came back and they decided we would film a debriefing on the
> run before sending AGNS down the track. As we are doing this a track
> official comes by and says we have till 9pm to wrap everything up.
> WHAT!!!!!, WHAT!!!! Are you kidding me? We have less than 1 hr to
> make record runs for 2 vehicles, recharge, repair, etc... Ok let's get
> started. But wait, we have to continue the interviews. Meanwhile the
> sun has gone away and our beautiful hot track is going with it. I know
> AGNS' batteries are not 100% yet but we need the charger for OJ if we
> are going to have her ready before they shut the lights off. At 8:49
> pm the lights come on as we get AGNS to the line for the first time.
> Another last minute interview is done to explain that we are attempting
> to break the 192 motorcycle record of 12.95 secs. The tree lights up
> but does a yellow/green drop like they do for top fuel. Denis is
> expecting a standard setup and gets confused for a split second. He
> initially hits the accelerator, then lets off, then decides he may as
> well go and heads down the track. AGNS completes her warm-up run of
> 12.26 @ 99 MPH. Not back considering the launch. I head back to the
> pits where Eric has completed his post run inspection and found a fried
> brush gear on motor number 5. He needs a few minutes to change it out
> so I use the time to charge AGNS as fast as the little 11K generator
> will let me. Rudmans green box does the job and we get AGNS back up to
> 90% + in under 10 minutes. We are now operating at warp speed. Time is
> running out. I yank AGNS off the charger, plug in OJ, and push Dennis
> back to the line for run 2. It's now 9:03 pm and dark. Through heated
> negotiations we were allowed till 9:30 before they shut the lights off.
> I tell Dennis to forgo the burnout because AGNS didn't have a full
> charge and we needed to save power. I was wrong. Full charge or not
> AGNS' brand new DEKAs were just waking up. The tree went yellow/green
> while Denis was still positioning himself. After what seemed an
> eternity he hit the accelerator. AGNS's 2 new rear tires went up in
> smoke. He let off and got back in it. It spun again. This was not the
> track we had seen just 15 minutes ago. AGNS finally got hooked up and
> ran a 13.26 @ 103 MPH. There went our back up run. I ran back to the
> pits where OJ was charging. The brush gear swap was complete but there
> was a catch. The new gear was a never tested, prototype unit sent to
> me from the UK. I knew that the design had issues and we had a list of
> things to change before we were actually going to start testing it but
> we only had one day to prep before the trip and it was all we had in
> stock so we "run what we brung". We set OJ on the ground. Eric
> prepared to climb in when we noticed that the tech had not finished his
> work installing the cockpit camera. While they went to find him, I
> stole the charger again from OJ and dumped everything I could into
> AGNS. 5 minutes later I swapped the charger leads back to OJ and
> pushed Dennis to the line, the smell of abused batteries in the air.
> I'm thinking to myself, "This is INSANE! But, This is definitely the
> most fun I've ever had a racetrack!". Denis does a nice burnout and
> has the tree figured out. The light turns green and AGNS goes up in
> smoke again. We have lost the track. He gets back into it easy but
> pulls away hard. The board shows 12.77 @ 106 MPH. Denis has NEDRA
> record number 5 in the books even with a 1 second delay at the line. 5
> minutes later I pull OJ off the charger, Eric lays the camera battery
> pack in his lap, and drives OJ up to the line. It's 9:27 pm. Eric does
> I nice burnout but I see a few sparks coming from the new brush gear at
> high RPM. Looking for single digits I have cranked up the power on OJ.
> If she hooks up she will fly, if she doesn't she will fry. I suspect
> what's coming and share it in my last second interview. There was
> nothing to do but watch. OJ launched hard for the first few ft then
> lost traction and spun the tires for at least 200 ft. She finally
> hooked and managed 107 MPH in the 1/8th. At 3/4 track the new brush
> gear had had enough and put on a fireworks show Plasma boy would be
> proud of. They wanted something spectacular and they got it with 2
> minutes to spare. Eric hit the brakes and went through the lights with
> a 12.16 @ 69 MPH. I went down the track and picked up OJ. Other than a
> torched motor everything looked good. We loaded up and did some final
> interviews.
>
> No single digits for OJ, no back up for the NEDRA record of 10.26, but
> man it was AWESOME!! After waiting over 10 hrs we spent the next 1 1/2
> hrs like Rosie O'Donnell at a Golden Corral. AGNS got another record
> with a previously untested 3 wheeled setup and is poised for the 11's,
> we shared some cold beers with the crew, and the track officials were
> completely impressed and invited us back and offered to open the track
> just for us. It would have been nice to have some more time to "sneak
> up" on the 9's, you know, baby the batteries, save the brush gear and
> motor, turn up the power gradually over 5-6 runs. NAH, That's not our
> style.
>
> Shawn Lawless
> ________________________________________________________________________
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I haven't really examined the tire to see why it failed. The short answer of
course is that it is old. Really really old. Twenty years is really stinkin'
old man. I mean, this tire was manufactured when Michael J Fox was driving Dr
Emmitt Brown's Delorean. That's old! :D
These tires were stored in a garage for the better part of 20 years. They were
not installed on a car during storage. The car was on blocks out side with no
tires under it. These tires were only under a car for about the first two years
of their life.
I made sure that they were inflated to the correct pressure. Actually, this
increase in pressure may have been partially responsible for the failure.
Calling an old car dangerous isn't really the same thing. A car is not a wear
item. A tire is. I guess if I were operating a large fleet of trucks, then the
trucks could be looked at as wear items. In a fleet situation, old machinery
could certainly be considered a liability depending on the work being
performed. I would not want to be involved in a high speed chase in a 20 year
old police car. Ok, I would actually think that was pretty cool, but I'm
probably the exception :P By contrast, a plumbing contractor would probably
have no problem with a 20 year old truck.
Ralph Nader actually wrote a book about Corvairs being unsafe... and he was
right. That doesn't stop me from driving the truck. I like driving old cars.
Driving an old car in the same manner as a new one is a recipe for disaster
though. Old cars can have poorer brakes, poorer handling characteristics, worn
out bushings, old seat belts (yes, seat belts are supposed to be changed from
time to time too) or inferrior seat belt design. My Corvair has no seat belts
at all. Since it is a truck, it also has no crumple zone.
What does stop me are the my Corvair are the flexible rubber sections of its
40 year old brake lines. Also, the 20 year old rubber fan belt could go at any
time. The fan belt is not fatal, but it is old, it is rubber, and it is on
borrowed time.
I understand that a high efficiency tire can be hard to find, but if the only
one you can find is too old to be safe then... Improving efficiency at the
expense of safety is not a good idea.
=============
Did you examine the tire to see what caused it to fail? Was it
over-inflated or overloaded? Was there cracking from long-term exposure
to the sun? Did it fail where the tire had been damaged from a rock or
curb, or from a previous repair?
I don't doubt that older tires aren't as good or strong as new tires. I
just wonder if that justifies calling them "very dangerous". Old cars
are also less safe than new cars; should we label them "very dangerous"
and order that no car over 6 years old can be driven?
> I have been looking at these tires for my EV project.
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE92&vehicleSearch=false&partnum=665SR4RE92&fromCompare1=yes&place=0
Low rolling resistance isn't as important on a Corvair truck, because
the suspension is not built for it. The rear swing axles have a lot of
tire scrub, and the front suspension is deliberately setup with toe-in
to imitate a front-heavy vehicle.
What matters more is the tire's load carrying capacity. This is a truck,
carrying a heavy load of batteries. The van's GVWR was 4600 lbs. The
original tires were 7.00x14 bias-ply, rated 1230 lbs at 36psi, 25"
diameter. The Bridgestone Potenza RE92 165/65SR14 is only rated 937 lbs
at 44 psi, and is only 22.5" diameter. I think it's too small a tire for
the application.
If you really like this tire for some reason, try the RE92 175/65R14 XL
(Extra Load version) for the 2001-2003 Toyota Prius. It is a bit bigger
in diameter and rated for more weight; 1102 lbs at 50 psi, 23.1"
diameter (still low, but better).
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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On 28 Jul 2007 at 21:57, Brian Jackson wrote:
> So, would anyone have any objections to me copying emails over to the forum?
I don't speak for anyone else here, but you're welcome to copy anything I
write and post here, as long as you :
1. Remove my email address.
2. Include attribution to me and the EVDL
3. Include the list info URL (http://www.evdl.org).
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Shoot, I did a search on this tire, and all I got was a bunch of European web
sites. How available are they in the Eastern US?
Brian
---- Jerry McIntire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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How about the Nokian NRH? It is designed as a low rolling resistance
tire (with an accompanying low mileage rating, 50K miles), is rated
for 51 psi max, and is available in the eastern U.S. as far as I can
tell. I priced them at tirefactory.net, $83/tire. My next question,
and yours probably, is what's the rolling resistance coefficient.
Don't know, maybe I'll email Nokian.
Jerry
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The manufacturer is stating the range at a safe and sane 65 mph... or close to
it. The car can not go 200 miles at 150 mph.
Brian
---- gulabrao ingle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hello all,
I was browsing through some webpges when i came across a article about
the couregges EXE,
how on earth is it possible to get 200 miles from an li-ion pack @ 370
v when the ev calculator suggests a range of only 120 miles
Can someone please explain ?
Same is true for the tesla roadster
how can it give 150mph and 200 miles at the same time ?
Thanks
Sushrut
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I don't know which EV calculator you are using but most likely it takes into
account a Peukerts value for lead acis batteries that
is invalid for Li-ion packs. Also too at what discharge rate are you
calculating the 120 miles. It may be more if you drive
slower.
I don't think they claim to do 150mph AND 200 miles at the same time. As with
any EV that we all drive, the lighter you are on
the foot pedal the farther your range will be. Lead foot around (so to speak)
and range suffers tremendously.
Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of gulabrao ingle
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 7:27 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: checking claims for couregges exe and tesla roadster
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I was browsing through some webpges when i came across a article about
> the couregges EXE,
>
> how on earth is it possible to get 200 miles from an li-ion pack @ 370
> v when the ev calculator suggests a range of only 120 miles
>
> Can someone please explain ?
>
> Same is true for the tesla roadster
>
> how can it give 150mph and 200 miles at the same time ?
>
> Thanks
> Sushrut
>
>
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Wow, more great developments in main stream EVs. So, when do customers actually
start taking order of the Lion Accent, Lion Tucson, Tesla Roadster, and Porsche
Cayanne EV? I wonder if all of these concept cars (with the exception of the
Tesla which appears to be a done deal) will actually bear fruit like we hope
they will.
Brian
---- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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http://www.lionev.com/Home_Page.html
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Did anyone notice that this list is actually on the diy electric car forum?
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305
Brian
---- Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Being able to access info while off line would be nice. A php forum just
doesn't have that feature. Depending on how you get your email, email lists
make more sense here. I have always though it was kinda sad that so much
information could be lost on a php site. Much of the time, with smaller sites,
the site admin defaults on payments and all of the info on the site is gone for
ever.
Brian
---- "Jukka Järvinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Right. php's are fine but not when you're off line on the sky to get
somewhere. Standard makes nothing better. It just tells that majority
might be idiots.
Was there not a command in the EVDL that sent ALL previous mails
(archives too) to the registred email address ? (can't remember if there
were)
If I wish to search anything from EVDL I just use my thunderbirds search
engine. Oldest mail in the folder is like from 2002 or so. Anything I
need is there and even off line. And that IS simple and it works anytime
and it's fast.
(I took over 5 years old messages out from this folder :) They are
somewhere stored...in a lonely HD somwhere..
Just a brief question to old timers. When was the EVDL formed ? I have
no clue..
Thou.. I have to admit that the siplicity of EVDL does not support all
neat new features that web based ones have by default. But.. You can
always have a link in your email and that kinda makes current EVDL even
more versatile.
I would miss a LOT if the EVDL changed to web-only mode.
-Jukka
Brian Jackson kirjoitti:
> Here here. php forums are the standard these days. I was actually looking for
> a forum when I stumbled across this. The archives are a bit of a pain to
> search. I actually used my Google tool bar to search them and it worked well,
> but many people would not go to that trouble. This is just how things go. php
> replaced mailing lists. Email lists replaced paper mailing lists. paper
> mailing lists replaced chisel and stone :)
>
> Brian
>
>
> ---- "Kip C. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> =============
> Scam? Like what?
>
> The facts are:
>
> - Most people on this list would like to see EVs go mainstream.
> - Allot of people on this list have no idea how to search the archive or
> where to go to do it, nor do they wish to take the time to figure it out
> when a web forum offers the convenience right in front of their faces on
> every single page.
>
> Mailing lists of this size are unwieldy and antiquated - and not readily
> embraced by the AOL/MySpace generation of internet users.
>
> I used to run a fairly large mailing list and am familiar with many aspects
> of operating them, but I hate the snot out of the format now. Instead of
> just browsing through threads adressing subjects of immediate interest or
> being able to easily and conveniently search, I end up having to press the
> delete key endlessly on stuff that I am not the least bit interested in.
>
> Mailing lists are best for immediate polling of the knowledge base of it's
> users or for sending alerts, but when it comes to the basics, we need
> something better. I'm not complaining about the quality of the discussion
> here, but merely the shotgun disorganized nature of the format. Until
> something better catches on, it will do. But I really hope something better
> catches on!
>
> If we wanted to make EV conversion easier and more mainstream, doesn't it
> make sense to make the access to the information meet the same criteria?
>
> Someday, I will be a seasoned EV'er, and I probably won't be talking about
> it much here except to redirect people to a more convenient format.
>
> I have registered on the new forum and hope to see many others do so as
> well. Continuing to stick to this list as the sole means of technical
> support is a Luddistic insistance on not progressing the cause.
>
> --
> Kip
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
>
>
>> I hope this forum that just popped up, isn't some sort
>> of scam, it might relieve you seasoned EV'rs from the
>> postings of us newbies, that don't search the archives
>> quite as well as needed (Yes I'm guilty). I'd hate to
>> see some of you guys leave the EVDL list, due to all
>> the new postings from us newbies. Please keep in mind
>> most of us are all working towards the same goal, to
>> be driving a EV rather than an ICE and for me, getting
>> the word out to more and more people about EV
>> conversions can only be a good thing.
>>
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Thats funny, is someone just mirroring the EVDL to this DIY forum. It looks
like you can reply to the EVDL right from that forum. Anyone with an account
there want to give it a try?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Brian Jackson
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:52 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
>
>
> Did anyone notice that this list is actually on the diy electric car forum?
>
> http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305
>
> Brian
>
>
> ---- Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Indeed most super cars are in the 11 second range. Ferraris, Lamborghinis,
Mazeratis, anyting that ends with an i is generally in the 11 second range or
slower. It takes LOTS of power to get into the 10's!
Brian
---- Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Shawn, much congratulations on your new record! I would just like to add
one comment. In your enthusiasm you wrote: "The 12.08 was backed up with two
runs of 12.15 @ 103 MPH. Next stop 240 volts !!! We may just skip the 11's
and head straight for the 10's. Probably not but it sure sounds good."
Just so the newbees on the list know, in our daily life a second may seem
like a very short time but on a drag strip it is an eternity. The difference
between 11 second ETs and 10 second ETs is the difference between being
twenty years old and being sixty. That analogy may give some of you a clue
:-)\
Roderick
Roderick Wilde
Vintage Golf Cart Parts
Specializing in Parts for Harley and many other mature carts
www.vintagegolfcartparts.com
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 360-385-4868
P.O. Box 221
Port Townsend, WA 98368
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 4:38 PM
Subject: AGNS takes NEDRA record # 6
> The weather was touch and go at Quaker City Raceway in Salem, OH today but
> the sun finally won out as Denis Stanislaw and AGNS captured NEDRA record
> # 6 in the MT-D class. We set up with 14 DEKA's (168 volts) and set our
> sites on the 12.49 record set back in 2004. We left the track with a best
> run of 12.08 @ 102.91 in the semi final round of eliminations. We had
> dialed a 12.07 and beat one of the regulars at the the track and for a
> brief moment we thought Denis had made it all the way to the finals.
> Unfortunately he was disqualified after the run for going past the stage
> lights during his burnout. sounds good.The 12.08 was backed up with two
> runs of 12.15 @ 103 MPH. Next stop 240 volts !!! We may just skip the 11's
> and head straight for the 10's. Probably not but it sure
>
> Shawn Lawless
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I tried to reply to one of the threads, and I was not able to do so. Here is
the message it gave me...
xrotaryguy, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due
to one of several reasons:
1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page.
Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or
some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your
account, or it may be awaiting activation.
The thread starter on all of the threads is "EVDL List (list bot)", so I think
the DIY Electric Car site administrator is simply using his EVDL membership to
post on the forum. That's pretty slick. Maybe its not. I'm not much of a
computer nerd, so maybe it's lame and I just don't know it :P
Oh well, is seems harmless enough. All of the email addresses are listed as
[EMAIL PROTECTED], so no one's email is being revealed. I don't see any
signature lines either, so those of you that have personal info in your
signature have nothing to worry about.
Brian
---- Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Thats funny, is someone just mirroring the EVDL to this DIY forum. It looks
like you can reply to the EVDL right from that forum. Anyone with an account
there want to give it a try?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Brian Jackson
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:52 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: DIY Electric Car Forums
>
>
> Did anyone notice that this list is actually on the diy electric car forum?
>
> http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305
>
> Brian
>
>
> ---- Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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From: Brian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
CC: Phil Marino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bridgestone Ecopia EP-03 Tires
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:50:39 -0700
Phil,
The reason I want a narrow tire is that a narrower tire will usually have a
lower rolling resistance. This assumes that the tire it's being compared to
is made of the same rubber compound and has the same tread.
Brian - why do you think that a narrower tire will have lower rolling
resistance?
Phil
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