Hi Richard, Plato's One cannot be a number, for it is where numbers and their properties come from.
Your thinking is filled with category mistakes. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Roger Clough Receiver: Richard Ruquist Time: 2012-12-09, 07:44:50 Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is noobserver. Hi Richard Ruquist That can't logically be true, for numbers are just numbers. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/9/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: Roger Clough Time: 2012-12-08, 08:50:06 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is noobserver. According to Bruno, numbers are everything, including god. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Properties are just numbers. > Objects are objects. > > You seem to have some sort of mental block > against sorting out levels of being. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/8/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: Bozo TheClown > Time: 2012-12-07, 08:18:37 > Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no > observer. > > Your mind is closed.Sobeit > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> > Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > > > Hi Richard Ruquist > > No, the properties are outside of spacetime, the objects > of the properties are within spacetime. You still don't get it. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/7/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-06, 09:50:18 > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> Entities are either in spacetime (physical), >> or outside of spacetime (nonphysical). > > Merely an assumption Roger because you cannot understand how entities > in spacetime can have properties that are effectively outside of > spacetime. Sobeit. > Richard > >> >> Quanta are outside of spacetime (as nonphysical probability fields) >> until detected or they hit a barrier, which puts them inside of >> spacetime (they become physical such as a photon or electron), >> since in that case one can assign a location to them at a specific time. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >> 12/6/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-12-05, 13:00:30 >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >> >> Mapping refers to the perception of the monads. >> The string theory monads exist in space >> but have properties that effectively >> put them outside of spacetime. >> They are not simply ideas >> if string theory is correct. >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> You still don't understand. You're confusing the map >>> (the monads, which you can think of as ideas or information) >>> with the territory (physical space). >>> >>> It is the corporeal bodies of substances that the monads refer to, >>> not the monads themselves, are distributed in space, but the monads are >>> not. They are just ideas, which as always are outside of spacetime. >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>> 12/5/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-12-05, 09:34:15 >>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>> >>> Roger does not understand my argument that the monads of string theory >>> are effectively inextended despite they being uniformly distributed >>> throughout the universe at a density of 10^90/cc because each monad >>> maps the entire universe instantly and they collectively form a BEC. >>> In addition they collectively possess Peano cosmic consciousness so >>> that there is no need for a supreme monad. Richard >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>>> >>>> You still don't understand inextended variables. Since 1p >>>> is inextended (it involves consciousness), 1p has no size, >>>> so it could include an infinite number of universes. >>>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>>> 12/5/2012 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: Richard Ruquist >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2012-12-03, 08:54:30 >>>> Subject: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>>> >>>> RC, >>>> So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times. >>>> RR >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>>>> >>>>> Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz. >>>>> The supreme monad sees all clearly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>>>> 12/3/2012 >>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>> From: Richard Ruquist >>>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>>> Time: 2012-12-03, 05:59:05 >>>>> Subject: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>>>> >>>>> Roger, >>>>> >>>>> Isn't your god an observer? >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] >>>>>> 12/3/2012 >>>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>>> From: meekerdb >>>>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>>>> Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16 >>>>>> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same >>>>>>> thing >>>>>>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a >>>>>>> brick >>>>>>> wall >>>>>>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon >>>>>>> makes >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons >>>>>>> > are >>>>>>> > not destroyed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick >>>>>> wall >>>>>> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good >>>>>> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the >>>>>> wall >>>>>> in slightly different places; >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The >>>>>> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each >>>>>> electron >>>>>> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. >>>>>> Now >>>>>> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect >>>>>> of >>>>>> each >>>>>> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron. >>>>>> >>>>>> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be >>>>>> the >>>>>> same >>>>>> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the >>>>>> electrons >>>>>> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and >>>>>> there >>>>>> is >>>>>> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls >>>>>> would >>>>>> have the same charge and mass. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the >>>>>> path >>>>>> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. >>>>>> But >>>>>> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the >>>>>> other >>>>>> leg. >>>>>> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the >>>>>> focal >>>>>> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way >>>>>> information, >>>>>> you erase it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brent >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. 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