Hi Bruno Marchal

Thanks for the clarification, I was wrong about 3p.
But according to Leibniz, 1p is always in God's eye, 
but our personal pov is never undistorted or perfectly clear,
and operates down here, which is why I classified it as 
being contingent. 


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/28/2012 
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Subject: Re: On the truth of comp -->Fw: 1p= pragmatic or experiential truth 
vs3p = truth by calculation




On 26 Dec 2012, at 17:33, Roger Clough wrote:



Note that 

1p = contingent truth


Not at all. Each person pov has its own set of necessities and contingencies.





3p = necessary truth


Not correct (in comp, and weakening of comp). There are many pure 3p 
arithmetical contingencies. This is highly counter-intuitive and is a 
consequence of G?el's incompleteness, mainly. More on this later (perhaps on 
FOAR).





So the question of whether comp is true or not is
whether or when or where

1p = 3p


In God's eye, and nowhere else. In the computationalist theory.


Bruno







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Hi everything-list


IMHO that comp iis true or not is equalvalent to the question


does 

1p  =  3p  ?

where 

1p= truth by experience (or actuality) and

3p = truth by description  (by theory)



[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/26/2012 
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