On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:21 PM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: > Even better as a improvement over Dr. Turing's Test, would be "I want you to > live." If this isn't faked by a clever developer,
Can you clarify the distinction between fake wanting to live and real wanting to live? Or even wanting to leave, as Brent pointed out? > then that qualifies as a > separate, and better, living thing, then most of us humans. > -----Original Message----- > From: spudboy100 <spudboy...@aol.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 1:12 pm > Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? > > Lets jump ahead of the logic and technology, and presume a successful > digital imitation of the human brain in several decades. More than the > Turing Test, assuming that no programmer or developer inserts a complex > program, made to fool human observers, would not a computer that says " I > want to live" a more important AI function than just pretending to fool > humans as the Turing Test asserts. It speaks to the will and thus 'soul.' > Yeah, at the end of the day I am a dualist, which in this list is comparable > to a flat-earther. But the I want to live phrase speaks to me, rather then > somebody chatting with a program, about the weather in Blackford Lancashire, > and fooling the human. > > Mitch > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2013 11:37 am > Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test? > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > do you think I am trying to pretend that I am deterministic within my >> > own self? > > > I think you believe you are not deterministic and also not not > deterministic, which is equivalent to saying I think you believe in > gibberish. > >> >> > all my decisions and free will could be the result of a grand illusion > > > Free Will is not an illusion. An illusion is a well defined perfectly > respectable subjective phenomenon, but "free will" is not like that at all, > "free will" is just a noise that some bipeds like to make with their mouth. > Cows make a different noise, cows say "Moo". > > >> >> > Why has evolution invested so much energy in erecting such a perfect >> > rendition of this facsimile of free will that is the common sense >> > experience >> > that we all experience within ourselves? > > > I cannot answer that question because I don't know what the ASCII sequence > "free will" means. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
