Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:26:56 +0100 Subject: Re: The way the future was From: multiplecit...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Electric instruments just amplified what was already here. Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance, melancholy or magnificence. Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the organ. Or you could see the origins of jagged, animalistic, primal fifth-based harmony in medieval music of ars antiqua and ars nova as the seed of power etc. All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony be expressed with distorted guitars. Then maybe the old Greeks rocked like nobody had ever rocked before, but we lack patches of history to know what they really sounded like. Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and sticks might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the 'homeless nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile environment' thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual clothing would be plausible ;-) PGC On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:45 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music collection, along with many others generally called punk.John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, "Sex pistol attacks New Zealand butter". I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue - Enthusiastically attack butter (4) ...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they were McLaren's "boy band" really. PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...) On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here Something significant happened to pop music for sure. In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. Daddy Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie. And then: Dragged on a table in factory Illegitimate place to be In a packet in a lavatory Die little baby screaming Body screaming fucking bloody mess Not an animal It's an abortion Body! I'm not animal Mummy! I'm not an abortion It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's pretty brainy lyrically and very surreal. I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really. I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though. > From: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au > Subject: Re: The way the future was > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100 > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did > > arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type > > of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but > > bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing > > away. The world was never the same. > > I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due respect, > you are saying that something musically significant happened here but I only > ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he called himself > rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as festering shit. > What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I mean, concerning the > actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, harmony, melody - all > that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever at those things. But > then he didn't even write his own music because he was too off his dial most > of the time. None of this precludes the distinct possibility that you, as I > myself still do, find vastly entertaining, listening to the Sex Pistols very > occasionally. I often do listen to music I really hate if only to realise why > in ever more glory that I love the music I really do love... > > Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have. > > Kim > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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