On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 AM, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> Hi PGC > > yep. All art, like language, has an etymology. > > The Pistols weren't special because they did anything 'new', but because > they did something that challenged the status quo of the time. When it > comes to shocking people The Rite of Spring had the audience rioting at its > premier, so suck on that Johnny Rotten! > > > > *>>All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power > chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony > be expressed with distorted guitars.* > > > Yes, thats true, but I don't think punk rock is really about musical > innovation is it? > > These guys make a good argument that all pop of the past 40 years is > essentially the same single song, you might like it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I > > Yes, I can see that and raise it, while shooting it down too: in terms of most parameters (not exclusively that harmonic sequence, funny as the video is), what is often called pop is western romantic era song form, overemphasizing particularities like blue notes, certain African polyrhythms, suspension and blue use of dominant harmonies and progressions, what is perceived as ethnic etc.I think 'buzz' or new styles always exhibit some local bias/overemphasis on a set of particular musical properties that proves ''not us, man. We've reinvented a better wheel' as opposed to the locally more worn kitsch. And, in the vague overlapping spans of generations, they do and they don't. So the swing guys started to bebob, and they then hard bobbed because things weren't fast enough, then some guys felt this too hasty and became cool; in mid 20th century Jazz say. With recording technology and computers this effect explodes to the point that you know nobody who knows all current stylistic phenomena, branches, sub-branches... But, I enjoy when people share their musical tastes and fetishes, however they break it down, and always meet a new musical conception whenever somebody bumps into me. ''Wow, ok that is the thing for them. Amazing, I always thought that's..'' PGC > > *>>Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and > sticks might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the > 'homeless nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile > environment' thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual > clothing would be plausible ;-) PGC* > > Im sure you're right. > > > ------------------------------ > From: chris_peck...@hotmail.com > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: The way the future was > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:58:50 +0000 > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:26:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: The way the future was > From: multiplecit...@gmail.com > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > Electric instruments just amplified what was already here. > > Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep > department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance, > melancholy or magnificence. > > Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the organ. > > Or you could see the origins of jagged, animalistic, primal fifth-based > harmony in medieval music of ars antiqua and ars nova as the seed of power > etc. All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power > chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony > be expressed with distorted guitars. > > Then maybe the old Greeks rocked like nobody had ever rocked before, but > we lack patches of history to know what they really sounded like. > > Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and sticks > might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the 'homeless > nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile environment' > thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual clothing > would be plausible ;-) PGC > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:45 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music > collection, along with many others generally called punk. > John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, "Sex pistol > attacks New Zealand butter". > > I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue - > > Enthusiastically attack butter (4) > > ...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they were > McLaren's "boy band" really. > > PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream > and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...) > > > > > On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here > > Something significant happened to pop music for sure. > > In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood > of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. > Daddy Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie. > > And then: > > Dragged on a table in factory > Illegitimate place to be > In a packet in a lavatory > Die little baby screaming > Body screaming fucking bloody mess > Not an animal > It's an abortion > > Body! I'm not animal > Mummy! I'm not an abortion > > > It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the > dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. > Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash > or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is > singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument > between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's > pretty brainy lyrically and very surreal. > > I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really. > > I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though. > > > > From: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au > > > Subject: Re: The way the future was > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100 > > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did > arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type > of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but > bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing > away. The world was never the same. > > > > I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due > respect, you are saying that something musically significant happened here > but I only ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he > called himself rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as > festering shit. What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I > mean, concerning the actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, > harmony, melody - all that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever > at those things. But then he didn't even write his own music because he was > too off his dial most of the time. None of this precludes the distinct > possibility that you, as I myself still do, find vastly entertaining, > listening to the Sex Pistols very occasionally. I often do listen to music > I really hate if only to realise why in ever more glory that I love the > music I really do love... > > > > Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have. > > > > Kim > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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