On 16 Mar 2014, at 09:13, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:48, Chris de Morsella wrote:
You know I love the french (a bit cynical) poem:
'man had the good,
but he sought the best,
he found the bad,
and kept it,
by fear of the worst.'
Kind regards,
Bruno
Nice... I mean bad :)
Fear becomes, within the hidden unexamined recesses of mind, a self-
driving psychological mechanism, where our fear of something becomes
the thing we fear and begins to take over more and more of the mind
--
if not faced that is.
Facing one's own primal visceral fears is the very hardest thing
for a
person to ever do -- IMO -- the mind will try any trick and throw up
its best rationalizations why the fear should remain buried within
and
not be faced. To face one's fears is a painful terrifying process,
but
is also the only means of escaping the fate of being driven by them.
A mind can never awaken as long as it remains primarily driven by its
unconscious (preconscious maybe is a better word) zombie processes.
Often,
even just recognizing that these exist within us is the hardest part.
Once recognized, for being what they are, at least the mind becomes
aware of them and can begin to act upon that awareness and in a more
self-aware manner.
Fears can be natural, and usually protect us. It can also become
pathological and obsessive, or (and that is often the case)
exploited by
unscrupulous people, like fear of drugs, fear on terror, or the quasi
traditional fear of hells, that humans imitates easily in jails and
camps,
during war or peace.
Not entirely sure "self-awareness" is always working in this
setting,
although it could in many cases, but it can also lead to obsession,
and
sometimes the inverse of self-awareness can help, like in zen
technic to
forget yourself when acting, notably on a battle field. It is
complicated.
Agreed -- fear is often a healthy protective mechanism. Was
referring, to
the cyclic, mental entrapment that we can fall into when we become
afraid of
our fears themselves. Fear can grow to fearsome size [I apologize
for the
cheap pun] and paralyze the mind in an electric frenzy of neural
panic. When
people become paralyzed by fear; their fear becomes their phobia.
Fear can be an embarrassing friend. It can eat you.
A meditated quiet mind state that has learned to see through its
phobias and
hidden fears, is far more adept in the moment... and synchronized
with the
flow of time and unfolding experienced reality.. than the unexamined
mind,
self-consumed in, elaborate mental acrobatics to conceal, distract and
explain away, and that has buried large swaths of mind in memory
holes,
driven to this twisted, weakened state of being, by sub-conscious
zombie
phobias that are the manifestations of our unexamined fear.
Beginning, of course, with the fear of death... of our very personal
death
of the self. This is the mother lode of unexamined fears IMO :)
But for those who manage to see past these fears there is much
wonder in the
moment... in the moment that life has given us to experience.
The fear of death is often a fear of life in disguise.
Which pills would you choose between those two pills?
- the first one makes you immortal.
- the second one makes your fear of death disappearing completely.
Salvia is a bit like taking the two pills at once. Unfortunately, or
fortunately (?), you forget the main part of the experience. Yet the
fear of death can vanish, at least on some subject. Similar "cures"
can come with magic mushrooms and other hallucinogens (or entheogen).
There have been some convincing experiences made on dying subjects.
But with salvia, the contrary can happen, as some people makes
something like a bad NDE. They understand/hallucinate somehow that
they are immortal, but without any assurance that the afterlife will
be easy, and sometimes with the strong feeling that it will not been
easy at all. They got new fears. Like comp, salvia seems to promise a
hell of difficulties to some people. There are many possible
difficulties, like in the Tibetan bardo-thodol, and intermediates
states or realm between reincarnations, and liberations, if that
exists. After salvia, some people get the feeling that "death" is in
fact a form of wishful thinking. Like Otto Rossler said: consciousness
is a prison, and you can't escape it.
Bruno
Chris
Bruno
Chris
Kim
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