On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> You may be correct indeed, but if being part of the "civilized world" > protects violent, predatory, criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and > Putin, the I suppose I will demur from being civilized. Most capital > crimes, even in Texas, are crimes of passion. I don't see it (no death > penalty) as being civilized, I view it as an excuse to be uncaring toward > the victim's family. > The desire for vengeance is hard-wired in our brains. We get a good dopamine hit from it, which might relief the suffering of people who are grieving. Now, in 2014, we can recognise this mechanism for what it is. It was probably useful for our hunter-gatherer ancestors, but it is maladaptive in a globalised world with 7 billion people and nuclear weapons. You could argue that we are unlucky to be living in 2014, and that our hunter-gatherer ancestors lead happier and more fulfilling lives. This might well be the case, because they were leading lives in the environment that they were evolved to live in. On the other hand, we have technology and reason on our side. We can create dopamine hits artificially to relieve people in need, without causing further violence. The only thing preventing us are superstitions inherited from a distant past. Telmo. > The USA are alone in this. It's not some uncertain utopia, it has been > fully achieved in most of the civilised world. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> No death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this is the goal, then >> things need to be done really differently. >> > > Hum? Check this out: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG > > The USA are alone in this. It's not some uncertain utopia, it has been > fully achieved in most of the civilised world. > > Telmo. > >> I am not sure what you mean by "to seek my goal". >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> >> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 6:48 pm >> Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! >> >> On 3 June 2014 10:28, spudboy100 via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> To seek your goal I am guessing elements of society, law, and >>> technology, must improve. >> >> >> I am not sure what you mean by "to seek my goal". >> >> >>> For many, nothing is broken, or they have an interest in things >>> continuing as they are. We'd have to get into problem soving mode to do all >>> that. The world does not seem to be in a problem solving mood. >>> >>> This is of course true, "business as usual" is nideed in the process >> of destroying the world. Not sure what it has to do with the previous topic >> but FWIW I agree. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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