On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > the randomness (in the sense of normal statistical testing) of that > deterministic chaos has no other rôle in free-will than [...] > Before you start lecturing about what does and does not have a role in "free will" you first must explain what the hell "free will" is supposed to mean. > >>> its necessary self-indeterminacy >>> >> >>> >> >> We have self-indeterminacy?? I could not fail to disagree with you >> less. >> > > > This astonished me > What astonishes you? >>> Randomness adds nothing, as you see well >>> >> >> >> I have no idea what you mean by that, randomness clearly adds a whole >> lot of stuff, usually more than we'd like. >> > > > I meant "randomness adds nothing in the free will" That's not surprising, I've been on this list for several years and I've yet to find one person who could add anything of interest to the "free will" noise, a sound that many like to make with their mouth. There are endless debates about if human beings have "free will" or not but both sides of the argument quite literally don't know what they're arguing about. It's as if geometers where debating if squares were klogneated or unklogneated but nobody thinks to ask what klogneated means. John K Clark > except that it can augment the freedom spectrum, and it might diminish the > complexity of the task or of comparing the possible tasks. > > I just defend the (well known in philosophy) compatibilist theory of > free-will. It is (simply) the will of a subject in a free (virtual or real) > environment, or in a structured set of such free (virtual or real) > environments (emulated in arithmetic, for example). > > Bruno > > > > > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
