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 But the market is sorting it out. The reason you can see natural gas extracted 
from shale, has been back and possible challenges with solar and wind, the 
point now news articles suggesting the death of green energy as a result. 
Nuclear stockpile sort of thing . This is the ultimate apples and oranges 
comparison. Nuclear weapons are not consumer item at least not yet. We can 
surely develop technologies by government diktat, as the Nazis and Communists 
did the 20th century. Something like a constant electricity source, a constant 
source of transportation energy is a different thing because you're buying and 
using it all the time, unlike space shuttles. Governments do not do commodity 
products well.

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Technology doesn't come by magic.  Nuclear power and photovoltaics were both 
developed by the government.  Low emission automobiles were developed in 
response to government regulation.  Sure technology is the solution to global 
warming, but technology takes development and development takes money.  
Regulations not only restrict things, they also promote things.  One of the 
impediments to building thorium based nuclear powerplants is that there are not 
regulations for them.  If you propose building one the first thing investors, 
local communities, local governments will ask is, "Will it meet all the safety 
requirments and regulations." There aren't any (except the generic ones) so you 
can't get approval to build it.  This is a problem only the federal government 
can overcome by doing the initial development and writing safety standards 
based on the operation of pilot plants.  No capitalist is going to invest in 
such a developmental project - it's too risky at the legal level even if the 
technology were already developed (which it isn't).  
       
       
      
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And more broadly this is the reason why the "let the market sort it out" 
response I read a few posts back won't work. The market is a bunch of 
self-interested people trying to maximise profit. Only bodies which are 
powerful and have the interests of the country / world / people at least partly 
in their sights are capable of putting incentives in place that will bring 
about the necessary long term results.
    
    

     

    
    

How do you develop a nuclear arsenal or put a man in space? Not through private 
investment etc. You don't even get roads and railways and telephone lines and 
power grids and hospitals (and a 100 other things) created - or not created in 
a manner that is at all efficient - without some such organisation. Relying on 
the market to sort things out is approximately the same as treating what 
happens in "A Christmas carol" as your roadmap.
    
    

     

    
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