On 12 Jun 2017, at 17:09, John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au > wrote:

​> ​Deutsch is out to lunch on this. He appears to assume that a quantum computer is just using the same algorithms that a classical computer would use, only executing them in a massively parallel manner.

​As Deutsch is ​probably only the second person (after Richard Feynman) to think long and hard about quantum computers I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe that just any old algorithm will do, and I'm even more sure he doesn't believe the classical hardware we use in our computers today can take advantage of a quantum speedup.

The miniaturisation of the concrete cassical computers of today has been made possible thanks to quantum mechanics. In fact, the discovery of the transistor has been made through the solving of Schrodinger equation. But classical computer, which are quantum object like any piece of matter, does not exploit the quantum in his way of computing. We could in principle do that, if we were able to isolated them enough from their environment, but this is quasi impossible today.





 ​>Scott Aaronson points out:
"The way a quantum algorithms work is that they arrange for wrong answers to destructively interfere while the desired answer interferes constructively. Interference requires that they take place in the same world."

​I agree Interference must take place in a single world,

I would say: in a single multiverse. "World" is ambiguous, because in some context it denote a branch of the universal wave, and sometimes the universal wave itself.




but where did all the information that produced the interference come from, where did the computations that produced all those wrong answers (and a few correct ones) come from? Even the 2-slit experiment will not produce interference if you remove the photographic plate and just allow the photons to continue into infinite space after they pass the slits because then the world splits but the two never recombine again so no interference.

This is a bit weird. I would say that the interference are still there, but that we can't see them. Without the photographic plate, we can still introduce a needle at a position where no photon will ever go, because of the destructive interference due to the two slits open. If we accept Einstein reality principle, we know that even without that needle, no photon can ever appears at such a position. Interferences occur independently of our decision to observe them.




You need places for things to become different and also a place for things to come together again for interference to occur.

​>Quantum computing does not prove the existence of parallel worlds -- there is no need for other worlds in which to find the computational power,

​A large Quantum Computer wouldn't prove beyond any logical doubt that other world's must exist, but then you don't exactly "need" a​ ​heliocentric​ ​solar system theory to explain the movements of the planets either;​ ​you could stick with the Earth centered model if you added enough epicycles of the type used by Ptolemy 2000 years ago​.​ ​T​hen the way the planets moved in relation to the crystalline celestial sphere​,​​ ​the one that ​has ​the stars painted on​ it, ​could be​ ​ predicted​ ​to the limits​ ​of observational accuracy. But you'd need a awful lot of​ ​epicycles and calculations would literally ​be ​astronomically more complex than with the​ ​ far simpler​ ​heliocentric​ ​model.

OK.




In the same way I think when quantum computers become commonplace programers will ​take ​Many Worlds as a given even if they ​ can't​ formally prove they exist because it's just easier to visualize how they work that way, just as it's easier to visualize a few elliptical orbit​s​ around the sun than​ ​visualize a gazilian​ ​circles around circles around circles around the Earth.

OK.

I take, like Deutsch, the two slits experiences (with photon or electrons, in a corresponding set-up, sent one by one) as a strong evidence of the Many Worlds/Dreams (MW). Then I take Aspect experience, and Bell's inequality violation testing as an even much stronger evidence for them. In fact all evidences for literal quantum mechanics are evidences for MW.

Bruno




 John K Clark





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