On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 6:25:05 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 00:15, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On 2/28/2019 3:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 4:34:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/28/2019 2:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:48:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/28/2019 1:17 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The best current philosopher of (and writer about) consciousness is *Galen >>> Strawson*. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen_Strawson >>> https://sites.google.com/site/galenstrawson/ >>> https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/philosophy/faculty/profile.php?id=gs24429 >>> >>> There is a lot of his material (PDFs, articles, videos, etc.) freely >>> available online. >>> >>> The main word that is synonymous with *consciousness *is *experience*. >>> >>> >>> Which is something bacteria and plants and my thermostat have...and >>> ability to detect and react to the environment based on internal states. >>> >> >>> Brent >>> >> >> >> >> Galen is a (type of) micropsychist. >> >> >> But the point is we don't need a philosopher to explain that level of >> consciousness to us. It's already at the level of engineering. If >> Strawson is going to provide any useful explanations of consciousness he >> should study machine learning...it's getting close to engineering >> consciousness at the next higher level. >> >> Brent >> > > It won't be accomplished via certain types of engineering, like > "information network" approaches (IIT [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory ]) but > potentially could with a "synthetic" approach that *combines networks > with synthetic biology*. Something along these lines is the "fusion" idea > proposed by > > > I don't know why IIT is even discussed. Aaronson pretty well shot it down. > > My son may get a chance to work on the Deepmind team. What kind of brain > cells would you suggest he sprinkle on the CPUs? > > > > Good question! > > Once we relate consciousness to matter, there is no reason to evacuate any > cells. May be consciousness is produced by our bones and by our hair. Some > people have believed that if they cut too much of their hairs, they lose > their soul! > > Bruno > > > This is related of course to *the combination problem*:
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