On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:19 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > Jeffrey D. Means wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 10:09 -0400, Jeffrey Stedfast wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 07:45 -0600, Jeffrey D. Means wrote: > > > > > > > Why is it that when using Evolution as a MUA with IMAP when I delete a > > > > piece of mail I have to take a 4 step process to actually delete the > > > > trash: > > > > 1: Pressing delete places it in the Evolution Trash folder for the > > > > IMAP account > > > > > > > hitting delete on a message in, say, INBOX, just flags the message as > > > deleted (this is how IMAP works, and in fact, all other mail clients) > > > > > > > True it does flag it as deleted but it places it in the Evolution/Trash > > folder under the IMAP account which you have to expunge to get the > > message moved to the Account/Inbox/Trash folder where you again have to > > flag it as deleted then expunge that folder to actually delete the > > message. > > > > it sounds to me that the heart of your problems is to be blamed on the > IMAP server (Courier IMAP most likely) which implements its own Trash > folder by moving messages which have been expunged (expunge == removed > permanently, hence why this server "feature" is crack) and placing it > in its own Trash folder behind Evolution's back. > > > I only found this to be true after wondering where I had tied up 500MB > > of space in my Maildir on the server I run. It turned out I had over 1 > > million messages going back over the past year that were flagged as > > deleted but not expunged from my IMAP trash folder. As I just proved > > that you really have to delete the message in a 4 step process as I > > outlined earlier. Also you have to expunge _each_ folder individually > > to ensure that the message really is removed from the folder not just > > marked deleted (this is probably IMAP standard behavior.) The software > > I am running is courier-IMAP with qmail behind it. > > > > aha, just as I suspected... Courier-IMAP. Not surprised in the > least... > > this is only a problem with Courier-IMAP because it doesn't actually > comply with the IMAP specifications, it makes stuff up as it goes > along (not only does it not implement the IMAP protocol properly - we > have many workarounds already in the code - but it also extends IMAP > in ways that are completely on crack) > > > My suggestion: get a real IMAP server like Cyrus, Dovecot, uw.imap, > etc. Stay well away from Courier... > > With any proper IMAP server, it's a 2-step process. Delete message in > folder. Expunge folder (or Empty Trash whuich expunges all the IMAP > account's folders). All gone.
I use Courier-IMAP, and I *promise* you that deleting is a 2-step process! You have to reconfigure Courier to do it, though. In Debian, the file /etc/courier/imapd has this option, which you must set: IMAP_MOVE_EXPUNGE_TO_TRASH=0 I "uncheck" Hide Deleted Messages, so that they can be undeleted, and, because of IMAP_MOVE_EXPUNGE_TO_TRASH=0, Actions->"Empty Trash" permanently zaps emails. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Do you really think the Moon is not there when you're not looking?" Einstein, on quantum mechanics
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