Doug, your TM besotted mind is causing you some cognitive dissonance.
I was not dropping Bailey's name. Name dropping is something that is done to
impress someone by associating the name dropper with the person mentioned.
In no way do I wish to be associated with the likes of Bailey. She was as much
of a fraud as her predecessor, Helena Blavatsky. She was in opposition to Annie
Besant and who questioned the authenticity of Bailey's communications with the
so-called ascended masters. Baily got kicked out of the Theosopical Society due
to her opposition of Besant.
Interesting that all the ones who should have been in harmony with each other
due to their common connection to the mythical ascended masters were actually
fighting with each other for the adulation of the masses and the power within
their various organizations.
If you think my writing are harmful to the subtle bodies, at least to mine, I
wonder what you think the fate of people like James Randi will be? I just wish
he has gotten a-hold of faker liar Marshy during his huckster lifetime.
From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh -greatest Guru the world has
ever known
Dear MJ, You drop the name, Alice Bailey? Actually Alice Bailey is right
on it. You will certainly find out in the end. Make good use of your time
while you are here. And, Stop being so incredibly negative while you can,
too. It is really spiritually sinful to the subtle-bodies of the light system
that comes with the life in a human body. Love. JaiGuruDev, -Buck
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh -greatest Guru the world has
ever known
I don't buy the existence of karma itself. It started with the ancient
Indians and spread from there to China and Japan via Buddhism.
I mean, if this is the reality of life, how come only the ancient Hindus
figured it out? Because they lived in the land of the veda? All the other
ancient civilizations too stupid to figure it out?
Nope, its just some more bullshit made up by those ganja smokers in the woods
who claimed enlightenment. What better way to control the population than to
tell them that all sorts of awful things would happen to you in an infinite
number of lives if you didn't grease the palms of the priests so they would do
the ceremonies to placate the gods and the gods of karma?
There are a few people like Michael Roads and Anita Moorjani who either leave
their body or have some sort of visions where they see that all is just fine
with all the shit that happens all over the earth - no karma, no judgment on
the part of the Universe towards any of the awful things humans do. Not that
they necessarily have a lock on truth, but it is an interesting differing
perspective.
The current popular belief in karma and its originating culture is due to the
ravings of proven huckster Helena Blavatsky who popularized Hindu beliefs in
the 1800's that carried over into the 20th century through her outfit The
Theosophical Society and the bullshit writings of her compatriots Annie Besant
and Alice Bailey. Not to mention the pedophile C.W. Leadbeater who created the
myth of Maitreya now perpetuated by that nice old faker Benjy Creme.
Lie begets lie, and bs begets bs. Nope, I don't buy the existence of karma. If
it was real, I think others beside the Hindus and their predecessors would have
figured it out too. Given the sorry legacy India has so far offered the world
(just look at the country today and don't bother mentioning the mythical "vedic
society" that liar Marshy used to blabber about) I don't think I am going to
give much credence to anything that country comes up with in terms of religion,
philosophy or any sort of guidelines with which to live life.
Can't wait for Buck to denounce me for this post.
You can't really complain, though. It's just your karma.
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh -greatest Guru the world has
ever known
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <seerdope@...> wrote :
Perhaps (probably) he did. (Traditionally) it is not uncommon for realized
beings, even those well on the way, to know when prarabdha karma will come to
an end. There is not much to be done to alter that. You lease a car for a
specific period -- after that, fini.
Realized beings simply endure that prarabdha that remains with the current
body.
For the unliberated (who still have sanchita karma), then its back to the vast
mountain range of sanchita karma (which may have grown since the last bite due
to karma generated in the just prior life) to bite off another chunk (of
prarabdha karma) -- and start anew. Wheel of karma keeps on rolling.
Unless you have stumbled upon an effective means to burn / roast the vast
"mountain range" of sanchita karma, or in parallel parlance, dry-out and
extinguished the causal body.
(Ask someone who claims to be enlightened their experience of burning off that
last bit of sanchita karma and the extinguishing of the causal body. If they
say "huh?", "Run Forest, Run" )
I love the myths that "realised" people put around about themselves. It both
gives us lowly mortals something amazing to aim for and a way for them to keep
themselves above us. It's a neat trick, and yes I fell for it but it was
Maharshy's obvious weakness as a speaker - that he was basically making it up
as he went along - that convinced me it was all a put on. And I never heard of
anyone better.
I've encountered several of the "supposedly realized" who were better speakers
(expounders of "the knowledge") than Maharishi -- IMO MMY was *extremely*
limited in what he could say, being limited to parroting things he'd heard from
others or read somewhere or ripped off from someone supposedly "assisting" him
with one of his books. But I completely agree with your point, which is as far
as we can tell, the "supposedly realized" just make this shit about "what
enlightenment is like" up, based on stuff that was told to them by their
teachers (who were *also* just making shit up) and, of course, whatever enables
them to get their way.
As far as I can tell, based on the few teachers I've met who seemed to have a
clue, there is NO SUCH THING as "burning off all of one's karma." If you're
incarnate, you've still got past karma, and you're still busy generating more
with every thought and action. The *only* difference between a "realized"
person and someone "unrealized" IMO is that your karma doesn't bother you as
much when it comes back on you, because there is a little less self to be
bothered. I think that the "myth of having no more karma" probably comes from
that -- people in the early, essentially narcissistic stages of realization
realize that when they do something bad it doesn't bother *them* as much any
more, so they begin to believe the actions were bad.
What we have is an impossible ideal of wondrous powers and paranormally gained
"wisdom" that no one ever demonstrates to be anything more than them claiming
to have attained the sort of godlike status we read about in the holy books.
Or over on The_Peak. :-)
Or am I wrong and there really is an infinite world within this one that I can
reach by purifying my mind to reveal a deeper truth about reality that can't be
understood objectively, indeed can only be experienced rather than studied? If
only they'd shown us something convincing as I hate taking people at their
word, especially as their word always involves them living a life of luxury
being waited on hand and foot.
I've certainly seen something that could be mistaken for this sort of
enlightenment but is the vedic explanation the best one? Perhaps the original
holy men had the same vision I did and interpreted that as being something
fundamental to everything else we normally experience and then passed that down
as received wisdom when really it's an imbalance in the way the brain normally
constructs our perception of the world. Questions questions.
It is worth noting that in the realm of spiritual teaching, anyone offering an
"answer" to these questions seems to expect to be paid for it, and well. That
*alone* should disqualify them from consideration as "realized."
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