Morphogrammatics and Computational Reflection Applying insights from the retro-grade recursivity concept of morphogrammatics to questions of reflectionality and interactionality of programming
Possibly of interest: http://memristors.memristics.com/MorphoReflection/Morphogrammatics%20of%20Reflection.html Rudolf Kaehr Dr. phil@ ThinkArt Lab Glasgow ISSN 2041-4358 Bill Seaman Professor, Department of Art, Art History & Visual Studies DUKE UNIVERSITY 114 b East Duke Building Box 90764 Durham, NC 27708, USA +1-919-684-2499 http://billseaman.com/ http://fds.duke.edu/db/aas/AAH/faculty/william.seaman http://www.dibs.duke.edu/research/profiles/98-william-seaman RadioSeaman Paste into itunes (Advanced/open audio streams) for internet radio: http://smw-aux.trinity.duke.edu:8000/radioseaman On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Bill Seaman wrote: > I recently came across the work of Gotthard Gunther while at the archives of > the Biological Computer Lab. at University of Illionois, formerly run by von > Foerster. > > Two papers of interest in english... > http://www.vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/gg_new_approach.pdf > http://www.thinkartlab.com/pkl/archive/Cyberphilosophy.pdf > > Most of his texts are in German but I am still researching: > > Precursors – Biological Computing Lab > > “M-valued Logic” – Gotthard Gunther > > Proposal For a Basic Study of the Semantic and Syntactic Properties of > Many-Valued and Morphogrammatic Systems of Logic. 1962 > > Morphogrammatic Logic > > “Logic which uses morphograms instead of values as basic operational units > might be able to cope with the specific properties of self coding systems of > mind-like or mental character.” > > “The ultimate aim of the cybernetical systems-approach is to design computers > as fully self-reflective systems. The theory of resolvable functions suggests > that logical relations between individual values do not properly represent > the complex characteristics of reflection…This indicates that in order to > represent reflection we have to look for a different (and more complex) > logical unit. This seems to be the morphogram.” > > See also > http://vordenker.de/contribs.htm - under Gotthard Gunther > > rudolf kaehr - special non two value logic: > > http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1015&context=thinkartlab&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Drudolf%2520kaehr%2520-%2520special%2520non%2520two%2520value%2520logic%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CCIQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fworks.bepress.com%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1015%2526context%253Dthinkartlab%26ei%3D-TqHT4feOK2I8gH51NW-CA%26usg%3DAFQjCNGu_-JW00NR_5TIw8X8Qa9GlG3ZRA#search=%22rudolf%20kaehr%20-%20special%20non%20two%20value%20logic%22 > > Best > Bill > > > > > > > > Bill Seaman > Professor, Department of Art, Art History & Visual Studies > DUKE UNIVERSITY > 114 b East Duke Building > Box 90764 > Durham, NC 27708, USA > +1-919-684-2499 > http://billseaman.com/ > http://fds.duke.edu/db/aas/AAH/faculty/william.seaman > http://www.dibs.duke.edu/research/profiles/98-william-seaman > > RadioSeaman > Paste into itunes (Advanced/open audio streams) for internet radio: > http://smw-aux.trinity.duke.edu:8000/radioseaman > > > > On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:25 PM, joe.bren...@bluewin.ch wrote: > >> Dear Pedro, >> >> Thank you, Pedro, for bringing up the question of logics. My suggestion of a >> Logic in Reality is to open the debate, rather than to claim it is the only >> "over-arching logic" possible. Nevertheless, it would be useful for me and >> perhaps others if you could make your critique more specific by pointing to >> at least one logic that is used biologically that addresses the dynamics of >> complex processes. So far, I have not identified any such logical system >> that is more than a metaphorical use of the term "logic" or refers to some >> more or less reproducible characteristics of such processes. Otherwise, >> logics seem to me to refer only to abstracted linguistic aspects of >> processes that of course follow classical propositional logic but equate to >> tautologies. >> >> Because Logic in Reality is grounded in physics, it is able to express >> somewhat more about change, evolution, etc. than any logic of which I am >> aware. I would be glad to learn of other candidates for this role. >> >> Thank you and best wishes, >> >> Joseph >> >> >> ----Ursprüngliche Nachricht---- >> Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es >> Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44 >> An: <fis@listas.unizar.es> >> Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing >> >> Dear John and colleagues, >> >> Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our best >> wishes for your complete recovery! >> About physical information I think that Landauer clarified the panorama, at >> least concerning the relationship between information theory and >> thermodynamics. According to his principle, any logically irreversible >> transformation of classical information is necessarily accompanied by the >> dissipation of at least k T ln(2) of heat per lost bit (about 3 x 10 exp -21 >> Joules at 300 K temperature), where obviously k is the Boltzmann constant >> and T the temperature. Recently this principle has been verified >> experimentally (Nature, 8 March 2012, p. 187). By the way, in his past >> message Loet enters "Watts" in a similar expression (?). To insist, Entropy >> and Information are dimensionless and do not explicitly incorporate any >> units... About the quantum management of info theory, it is another matter, >> quite more tricky. >> >> Beyond that immediate physicality, things get quite obscure as our >> contradictory "meaning" messages witness. The point made by Joseph on an >> overarching logic, is rather difficult to be maintained --at least in my >> small province of the biological signaling pathways. Too many logics are >> used biologically in too many different contexts or niches, either >> molecularly or neuronally... I bet that they are not susceptible of >> integration in any logical system. Maybe Inbiosa parties would also >> disagree with me in this regard. >> >> best wishes to all, >> >> ---Pedro >> >> John Collier escribió: >>> >>> Folks, >>> I have been in the hospital for almost three weeks due to bleeding from >>> warfarin. I had to have three blood transfusions and an operation. I am >>> only now getting my strength back. Some of my comments, therefore, may be >>> dated. >>> "Physical" has a variety of overlapping meanings (a Wittgensteinian family >>> resemblence). For example Quine takes the physical to be anything >>> accessible to the senses or inferences therefrom. Ladyman, Ross, Collier an >>> Spurrett take the physical to be the most fundamental laws of our (part of) >>> the universe. I did not agree with this, among some other crucial points, >>> so I was not a primary author. Information is at least physical in both of >>> these senses. Quine's approach might make it entirely physical. I prefer to >>> relate it to the causal, which always has physical parametres, as far as we >>> know. But there are many ways of approaching this issue, and disentangling >>> them will be a major advance in foundations of information theory. >>> My Best, >>> John >>> >>> Professor John Collier >>> Philosophy, University of KwaZulu-Natal >>> Durban 4041 South Africa >>> T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 >>> F: +27 (31) 260 3031 >>> email: colli...@ukzn.ac.za>>> On 2012/03/16 at 01:19 PM, in message >>> <4f6321c3.5000...@aragon.es>, "Pedro C. Marijuan" >>> <pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> wrote: >>> Dear discussants, >>> >>> I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if taken too >>> strictly. Obviously if we look "downwards" it is OK, but in the "upward" >>> direction it is different. Info is not only physical then, and the >>> dimension of self-construction along the realization of life cycle has to >>> be entered. Then the signal, the info, has "content" and "meaning". >>> Otherwise if we insist only in the physical downward dimension we have just >>> conventional computing/ info processing. My opinion is that the notion of >>> absence is crucial for advancing in the upward, but useless in the >>> downward. >>> By the way, I already wrote about info and the absence theme in a 1994 or >>> 1995 paper in BioSystems... >>> >>> best >>> >>> ---Pedro >>> >>> >>> >>> walter.riof...@terra.com.pe escribió: >>>> >>>> Thanks John and Kevin to update issues in information, computation, energy >>>> and reality. >>>> I would like point out to other articles more focused in how coherence >>>> and entanglement are used by living systems (far from thermal equilibrium): >>>> Engel G.S., Calhoun T.R., Read E.L., Ahn T.K., Mancal T., Cheng Y.C., >>>> Blankenship R.E., Fleming G.R. (2007) Evidence for wavelike energy >>>> transfer through quantum coherence in photosynthetic systems. Nature, >>>> 446(7137): 782-786. >>>> Collini E., Scholes G. (2009) Coherent intrachain energy in migration in a >>>> conjugated polymer at room temperature. Science, vol. 323 No. 5912 pp. >>>> 369-373. >>>> Gauger E.M., Rieper E., Morton J.J.L., Benjamin S.C., Vedral V. (2011) >>>> Sustained Quantum Coherence and Entanglement in the Avian Compass. Phys. >>>> Rev. Lett., 106: 040503. >>>> Cia, J. et al, (2009) Dynamic entanglement in oscillating molecules. >>>> arXiv:0809.4906v1 [quant-ph] >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Walter >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fis mailing list >>>> fis@listas.unizar.es >>>> https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> Pedro C. Marijuán >>> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group >>> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud >>> Avda. 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