This was a pretty mystifying post. Like you, and I suspect most of us, I went back through my local postings archive and couldn't find anything to justify it. Incidentally, Shad Young first popped up on the FG lists back in 2003 re a query concerning graphics cards.
The oddest thing I found was a reply from Shad Young to Tim Moore where he said "My sincere apologies. It was not my intent to offend". The reason I find this odd is because Tim Moore was just pointing out that the conditions of use for a web-site/repository, to which Shad Young had referred as being an example of MSFS open-source work, actually had restrictions that were not compatible with open-source. I could see no indication of any offence whatsoever being taken by Tim Moore and I remember that when I first read it I thought it was a bit of a strange and inappropriate reply. Nothing I lost any sleep over though. Heh:) - I don't care too much about top or bottom posting, as long as it's consistent within a thread... LeeE On Saturday 29 December 2007 03:28, Curtis Olson wrote: > Hi Shad, > > I run google mail so I went back and searched all the email > threads with your name in it, and what I saw initially was some > good and fair questions from you (the new user.) Then I saw the > correct people who knew the answers jump in with helpful > information that pointed you in the right direction in a timely > manner. > > We aren't perfect here, but I think you should go back and read > through those early threads and remind yourself what a friendly, > helpful, and technically solid group of good people we have here. > > I see there was a short discussion on the typical license terms > of "free" MSFS aircraft and scenery and that all seemed > reasonable. Then Arnt posted something which started out loosely > based on the original thread and headed off onto his own personal > soap box and that's just what Arnt does. > > Other than that, I saw a bit of discussion about some technical > aspects of water landings and suggestions for the default > FlightGear behavior. > > So unless all this happened in private email, I honestly don't > know where you are getting any of this from? All the discussion > on the public mailing list that derived from any of your > questions or comments was professional, courteous, timely, and > helpful. > > No one is begging you to use FlightGear (and I'm not saying it's > always perfect around here) so please do whatever works best for > your situation. But when I go through the archives to look at all > the responses to all your specific questions, I see a great group > of helpful people, and that is worth pointing out once in a > while. > > If you want to see an actual example of the sort of behavior you > have described, try reporting an emacs bug to RMS. :-) > > (And yes, I am deliberately top posting my reply to see if any of > the nice folks here will flame me.) ;-) > > Curt. > > On Dec 28, 2007 6:43 PM, Shad Young <> wrote: > > I have backed out of the commercial project involving FG. > > Thanks to the attitudes displayed by a few of you here I have > > no interest in contributing to this sim on any level, nor do I > > really wish to be involved in this community. > > > > Maybe one of you will pick it up. I hope one of you does, as > > you are not all bad. Just a few of you, but those few killed it > > for me. > > > > Who am I to complain? I have been involved in Free and Open > > Source software development for some 13 years now. I have > > participated in FOSS (FSF/OSS) advocacy in depth, including > > taking on the fight directly by forming a nationwide coalition > > of Linux users. I have been named one of the Top 25 News makers > > by IT World for my efforts. I suspect I am actually a bit more > > passionate and informed about FOSS than most, if not all, of > > you here. > > > > Having been around for this long, I am rather disturbed by the > > words and behavior of some of you here. In less than a couple > > of weeks on this list, I have seen all the worst behavior of > > FOSS. > > > > 1. I have seen mindless disdain of MS users, even though this > > application is cross-platform. > > > > 2. I have seen the always distasteful "be grateful we are > > helping you because it is free" BS. > > > > 3. I have seen the always disgusting "I do not understand you > > therefor I will call your words 'irrelevant nonsense' simply > > because I do not agree with you" garbage. > > > > 4. I have seen the "commercial application of this project" > > bitterness (which is what the GPL expressly encourages and > > permits, you idiots - And by the way, when I create a model for > > MSFS, the model source, textures and even the XML and FDM can > > indeed be GPLed because they are not based on anybody else > > work, they are based on unique and original work which is mine > > to copyright in anyway I see fit). > > > > 5. I have seen the "you are not allowed to speak because you > > are new" crap that is so common on open source devel lists, > > > > 6. along with the age old "troll" accusations if somebody > > expresses a contrary opinion. > > > > 7. and I have seen the "I/he/we have contributed code, therefor > > I/he/we know more than you" or the "what have you done?" crap. > > > > Frankly, it turns my stomach. > > > > Sharing and openness is not about you. It is about the user. > > Why should this project be taken seriously by the flight > > simulator community if you people can not figure that out. > > > > If you only get satisfaction from contributing because it makes > > you feel powerful and strokes your ego, and not because you > > think it is right; if you feel that your contributions are only > > for you, and not for the betterment of all mankind, then you > > have no place in my world. > > > > So do not preach to me. Doing so is about as ridiculous as a > > choirboy preaching to the Bishop. > > > > Good riddance. > > Shad > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Flightgear-devel mailing list > > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
