On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Chris Wilkinson
<blobster...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
> My goal will be open dialog as to why this guy seems unwilling to honor the
> exacting word of the GPL, and why he isn't giving back to the community.
> Probably done over coffee. I'll probably smile. And my solemn promise is
> that I wont hurt him (much)... :-)
>
I thought someone had paid the money and determined that they did follow the
letter of the GPL: you could download it and build it with a great deal of
effort.
>
> Frankly this guy is a big part of the reason I have yet to commit my
> scenery and aircraft to the community. I do NOT want someone making money
> from my efforts without either my consent or without some form of input to
> the community as a condition of being allowed to profit from all your work.
>
> Failing a positive outcome there I support a re-licensing of the software,
> to prevent this kind of thing. Simple as that.
>
> That would be difficult for the code. I wouldn't agree to relicense my
contributions made under the LGPL. That might not be a show-stopper, but I
don't think I'm the only one who feels that way.
I'm not sure what I'd do if the modelers and scenery guys managed to put
everything under a different license. On the one hand, I suspect that a lot
of models are not really GPL compliant now, as we don't store .blend files,
.tiff files, etc. in the data repository. On the other hand, if all the
content switched to a non-commercial license I would quickly lose interest.
Tim
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Mally <ma...@tklm.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> *To:* FlightGear developers discussions <
> flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Fri, 12 November, 2010 8:38:08 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
>
> ?Hi Chris
>
> I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally
> or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be
> more
> of a confrontation than a reasonable discussion. What are the odds of the
> latter do you think?
>
> I think the same could be achieved (at least partially) by sending the guy
> individual messages or an agreed collective letter on behalf of all of the
>
> FG community, but having said that, I do actually agree that face-to-face
> can ultimately be the most effective option - but at the same time, with
> somone who is completely unknown, it is a risk.
>
> It's possible of course that the gentleman in question is reading the
> forum,
> in which case I would just ask that he take some time to reflect seriously
> about the ethics of what he is doing, and attempt to find within his better
>
> nature the capacity to change the way he is going about this.
>
> >From my viewpoint, it is not about "giving a bit back". The main issues
> for
> me are that potential purchasers should be able to make a fully informed
> choice, that they should know completely what they are buying, and that he
> should comply fully with the GPL, i.e. by charging a fee ONLY for the
> physical act of transferring a copy of FG and optionally for a warranty if
> he wants to provide the same. If he did this and made it clear that this
> was
> what he was doing in his main web page/advertising, i.e. clearly informing
> potential purchasers that they were paying for these services rather than
> buying a product, then I would be very happy to see him succeed in his
> venture, and I'm sure he would be providing a valuable service.
>
> Mally
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Wilkinson" <blobster...@yahoo.com.au>
> To: "FlightGear developers discussions"
> <flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
>
>
> This looks to be more of a moral issue than a legal one.
>
> I'll tell you what I'll do about this. I was born and raised in
> Christchurch,
> where this guy operates from, and I will be visiting the city in a months
> time.
> Perhaps I should pay the guy a visit?
>
> I wanna know where this guy gets off taking all YOUR hard work, and
> PROFITING
> from it, with NOTHING returned to the flightgear community. The legality of
>
> his
> actions could be debated in a court of law forever, but perhaps a bit of
> face
> time to directly express the sentiments of the flightgear community with
> the
> dude might convince him that there are REAL people who consider his actions
> immoral - you guys are more than just names attached to code commits on the
> internet, and I think this guy needs to be reminded that without your
> efforts his little endeavour would amount to NOTHING.
>
> I'm sure with some 'friendly persuasion' I can convince the guy to give a
> bit
> back. After all if he can help the efforts to improve flightgear, that will
>
> have
> a flow-on effect for him. He scratch our back, we scratch his...
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
>
>
>
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