On 3/2/10 4:39 PM, "Stormy Peters" <stormy.pet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Philip, I think a lot of people are saying they'd rather not see these > arguments on the Foundation list.
That's not what I'm seeing. What I'm seeing are personal attacks and loose rhetoric (e.g. "pissing contest") in response to pretty reasoned attempts to take issueonce againwith the pronouncements of the FSF as they should presumably apply to GNOME. In every instance, no matter how silly or harmful the statementand I personally view this claim that Facebook is somehow a front for the CIA to be bothno actual disagreement is tolerated. > We've had several threads in the past month that go on and on without being > productive at all and you are one of the most frequent posters to each of > them. I don't know whether they were productive or not, but shutting them down after the shouts of "troll!" or "pissing contest!" have broken out, and then castigating the folks getting yelled at, guarantees that nothing productive will come out of them except yet another disagreement over a pointlessly provocative statement swept under the rug. > I believe the way you respond often takes the thread off topic and turns it > argumentative. I'd say that the way that a _lot_ of people responde.g. the subthread on the "pvanhoof problem"is off-topic and argumentative. Please don't single out Philip here (again). There are at least four other people you should have spoken to first. > When I've asked in the past, you've been good about stopping the personal > insults. Now I'm asking you to seriously consider each post you make to the > Foundation list and ask yourself whether each part contributes productively to > the conversation. Maybe you should ask the same of some others as well. Once again, if we want to improve things with respect to some of the more important "communities" outside of our own, the way to do it is to engage with them in a positive way. Vilification won't do it, repeating unsupported and tenuous gossip won't do it, calling them names won't do it, insisting that using their site, service or product is a "harmful practice" won't do it. I don't think that sort of thing "contributes productively to the conversation". Why do we tolerate _that_ so well? _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list