----- "Martin Nilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is what patrol read is intended to detect before it is a problem.
> 
> In a RAID5 array the checksums are only used when reconstructing data,
> 
> if you have a bad block in a checksum sector it will not be detected 
> until a drive have failed and you try to rebuild the array, 
> unfortunately at that time it is too late...
> 
> Beware that OS software solutions like diskcheckd will not find this
> as 
> it only reads the data, not the checksums, it must be done on the 
> controller.

  This isn't really accurate.  First of all, if the RAID controller isn't 
confirming checksums before giving the data to the OS, what is the checksum for 
exactly?  It is supposed to be for detecting data corruption, so if the card 
isn't using the checksum, its kinda of useless.  I know some RAID systems do 
fake their checksums, as they don't actually validate data against the 
checksums during normal reads because they don't have the processing power.  
I'd stay away from these type of systems (cough ... Blue Arc ... cough).

  Second, most RAID systems don't use their own checksums anymore.  Netapp is 
quite famous for their ZCS (zone checksum) drives, and still uses a variation 
of this technology on their newer systems (which are using 512 sectors).  But 
most RAID vendors just rely on the drives own error detection and correction 
systems (hamming code based usually, which is actually pretty solid).  I'm 
pretty sure that that 3ware doesn't use any checksums.

  However, in this particular case, validating checksums would have been 
unhelpful, since the disk was unreadable.  diskcheckd would have detected this 
issue.  It would probably have prevented the problem, if it had been running 
previously.

  ZFS is also a good option.  It has file level checksumming.  ZFS never trusts 
the disks, and is super paranoid.  And ZFS can do background scrubbing too.  I 
can't wait for ZFS in FreeBSD 7, because ZFS in software is going to 10 x 
better than anything 3ware has.


> Regards,
> Martin


Tom
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