> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:32 AM, jubalh <jub...@openmailbox.org> wrote, and 
> Rugxulo responded:

> > Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time.
> > I used the latest version and did a "full" install because i want to
> > have all software.

> The full release of FreeDOS 1.1 does not have all software mentioned
> in the Software List.

> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/

> Most DOS installs are "BASE" only, maybe not even that much!

> > I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which
> > I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it
> > via "gem" and don't find it anywhere.

> Most DOS software is not supported anymore. And, even then, most
> things require manual installation (e.g. download and "install"
> yourself by unzipping somewhere).

> Mateusz mentioned his packaged version of OpenGem, but the original
> version was meant to manually install.

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/

> > Also I don't see vim anywhere.

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/edit/vim/

> It's been years since I used VIM, and I was no expert by any means. It
> does have its own installer, but I'm not sure how much it does. (VIM
> is a very complicated piece of software.) Personally, I prefer VILE
> (built by DJGPP), which is somewhat simpler.

> Keep in mind that VIM 7.1 was the last to have a (limited) 16-bit DOS
> version, and 7.3 was the last to support 32-bit DOS (DJGPP) at all. So
> we don't have 7.4, and I haven't tried rebuilding it myself (as I
> assume it doesn't even work anymore).

> > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS?

> Most stuff is done manually, but some things (nowadays) can be
> installed by FDNPKG. However, more volunteers are still needed to add
> or update many packages.

I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far.  Opengem couldn't 
integrate with other software as X Window system can.

I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated since 
2.2_0.

I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a time, 
now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been ported to DOS.

I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size exceeded 
1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in 
FreeBSD and NetBSD.

I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem.

I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it 
messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD.

Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have 
dropped DOS support.

NetBSD i386 and amd64 still have /usr/mdec/dosboot.com, but I haven't tried it 
recently; dosboot.com seemed to stop working somewhere around NetBSD 5.x. 

Now I wonder if LOADLIN still works: for starting Linux from DOS.

Tom


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