It is to this point that I prefer to think in terms of "neurodiverse"
rather than "mentally ill". Your definitions here respond more to my
idea of "sociopathy". I don't think of sociopaths as being mentally
ill, just not good members of the society they find themselves in.
Most *L*ibertarians I know seem to be on the verge of sociopathy as a
matter of honor.
There has been a move afoot to recognize the selection value of
neurodiversity in a group and to de-stigmatize or de-pathologize what
was previously considered dis-ease or dys-function.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/books/review/neurotribes-by-steve-silberman.html
On 1/2/19 12:33 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Nick writes:
“A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so annoying that
other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?”
Sure, in that case the “mentally ill individual” may have failed to
connect their actions with the consequences. Or maybe they wanted
lodging in a psychiatric facility on the family dime -- probably a bad
call if your name was Rosemary Kennedy.
Marcus
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Marcus,
Forgive me if I am entering this party late, but what exactly means
“mental illness”
*/I would expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in
this country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is
considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health
insurance to use to diagnose it. /*
So, is a young person who hears voices, but who integrates those
voices into a well-organized and effective life mentally ill? Is the
homeless person who prefers to sleep on a subway grate than go into a
shelter mentally ill? I had a colleague once who famously checked
himself into a mental hospital making a vague claim to hearing voices
and then, once on the ward, behaved absolutely as he would have
otherwise. His only aberrant behavior was that he constantly took
notes. Explaining that he was doing a study of the ward. When, after
a few weeks, he got bored of it and tried to check himself out, he
could not get out! He had to use his “fail-safe” (the chairman of his
department, if I remember) to extract himself. Was he mentally ill?
Is trump mentally Ill? WAS he mentally ill before he became
president? Or was he promoted to his level of mental illness. (CF,
Peter Principle.)
<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-Principle-Things-Always-Wrong/dp/0285631764>
(In a political hierarchy a politician will rise to his level of
insanity.) (cf, /All the Kings Men
<https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=All%20the%20kings%20men&index=blended&link_code=qs&sourceid=Mozilla-search&tag=mozilla-20>/,
a fabulous novel, by the way). Not clear to me how a libertarian of
any stripe can allow the concept of mental illness into a
conversation. A mentally ill individual is one whose behavior is so
annoying that other individuals are willing to cooperate to put him away?
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
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Daniels
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Robert writes:
“Estimates vary by source, but fraction of opioid deaths that are
suicide is around 20-30%”
What I’d really like to know is how the fraction of opioid deaths
occur with individuals that have no historical sign of mental illness
at all, and would be described by their friends and colleagues as
effective and engaged prior to their initial prescription. I would
expect that mental illness is massively underdiagnosed in this
country, and especially in the blue collar mid-west where it is
considered a taboo topic and people have not had adequate health
insurance to use to diagnose it. I strongly suspect a structural
cause of all this is the idea that free will exists, combined with the
inevitable evolution of the economy toward more automation. Millions
of people, maybe hundreds of millions of people, have what amounts to
a mistaken view of the world. Similar arguments apply to the ongoing
outbursts of gun homicide (instead of suicide).
Marcus
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