Re: Fwd: The Genius of Capitalism

Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:37:02 -0800

It occurs to me that having you define your terms often eliminates disagreements.  So Harry, in today's world with the type of Information and instant electronic exchanges how would you define a "free market?"    How, also would the complicated machinery of modern industry be used and still protect the average citizen who must plan their lives and be responsible with their families?  
 
I agree with many of the things said about bureaucrats however I also believe that they are often forced to choose between responsibility to their lives and families and being creative or as Steve says, "getting the benefit to the cause/need."    It seems to me that the bigger their machine the more important the redundant systems are in order to protect the "little guy" from becoming "cannon fodder" for the "Generals" of the world.  
 
I don't mean to put down Generals or Captains of Industry for public or private concerns or whatever.   To me they are just all parts in systems that are grounded in history and culture and have a certain logicality to them.    It seems to me that the younger the system is, the more arrogant, and often causes the greater harm while the older it is the more mediocre and slow but does the least harm.   I admit that this is a truth in the Art of Singing!   But I see through my glasses just as you do yours.   The problem is when there is a need for quick action on things like the Ozone hole or the high level of asthma amongst our young in the city due to Air Pollution.    Too often you have a President who grew up next door to a refinery, can't form a clear thought in his mind (due to the pollution) but is clever and who believes that he survived so there must be something wrong with those people who have the asthma.   
 
One might say that it has to do with whether you meditate on a single supreme Hero or whether you meditate on the structures of life with their many areas of consciousness.    Their connection to the underlying structures and evolution of systems and the confession of the truth that all reality ultimately begins in one's mind.    Even knowing that, the Aztecs made a terrible mistake and begin human sacrifice on the truth of the shape of their sense of Time.   They also believed that the shape of time that flows through all life was what the Christians meant when they carried the Aztec symbol for that reality with a man hanging from it.   I believe it was Bertrand Russell who made the point that truths as well as symbols, rarely travel well from one system to another.    So Harry, what do you mean by a "Free Market" in your system of thought and how does it work?
 
Ray
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: Fwd: The Genius of Capitalism

Bruce,

To me Capitalism is a mixed economic system, not a lot different from the mixed system of the socialists. On one side of them are the communists, on the other the free market.

Harry

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Bruce wrote:

Brad,

-----Original Message-----
Not being schooled in "Economics", I have
come to see "capitalism" as just one form
of human sociability:

That is 1 way to look at it.  However, I don't choose to socialize that way
and those who do try to destroy those who choose other ways to socialize.
That certainly isn't very sociable.

 All the "capitalists"
"socialize" together, and the "medium"
of their sociality is running what I
consider to be the second, but more real government
of the lands they live in.

Insightful, but isn't there a need for consent of the governed?

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