Hi Ray, To your question (shown below), I would say not a chance. Either to a social engineering solution as espoused by Pete Vincent (which otherwise I would applaud) or by objectives needing fulsome use of Platonic expressions such as "freedom" and "beauty" (which otherwise I would also applaud if I knew what the expression meant) . . . . .
*unless* . . . . and until there is a far wider and deeper appreciation of the genetic predispositions that have been laid down in our DNA for millions of years. (An article in "Nature" yesterday is now putting back the date of our primate ancestors by several more million years!) It's no use designing anything or assuming the values of anything until one thoroughly knows the nature of the raw material. We're a pretty rough and anomalous package of behaviours that's been arrived at by evolutionary expedience. As Socrates said: "Know thyself". Keith , At 14:20 18/04/02 -0400, you wrote: (REH) <<<< So I would pose the question: Is it possible for humans to design a system or systems that 1. build maximum social efficency without creating "losers" as the food to energize the system's successes. 2. creates a reasonable freedom, including the freedom to work, the freedom to develop one's talents the freedom from ignorance the freedom from avoidable illness the freedom from incompetance the freedom from physical oppression the freedom from unreasonable abuse by both public and private systems. 3. create resonable social welfare design, 4. create an environment that is beautiful, balanced and that -respects heritage -lives in the moment -stimulates and develops creativity. -that leaves a world that does all of the above for our descendants as well. >>>> __________________________________________________________ “Writers used to write because they had something to say; now they write in order to discover if they have something to say.” John D. Barrow _________________________________________________ Keith Hudson, Bath, England; e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _________________________________________________