No apology. The fact is that I never write in upper-case, and the fact that
I felt the need in this case just shows how carefully I read your post. The
"some of my best friends" and the distinction between Ashkenazi Jews and
other Jews -- which? -- are just the kinds of statements that signal the
anti-semite. As I wrote - whether in capitals or small letters, I found your
way of putting that you dislike Perle and his influence on the current
American policy while talking about genes and the so-called accomplishments
of Jews that you seem to think you know about, offensive in the extreme to
whoever happens to have been born a Jew or happens to think of her / himself
as a Jew. I don't think these are things that can be apologized for /
about - Read your own post and do some heavy thinking if you don't like the
way the message comes across.
Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc.
Faculty of Education
University of Haifa
Haifa, Israel 31905
Tel.: +972-4-8249357
Fax: +972-4-8240911
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Additional phone:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "devorah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body language)
> Devorah,
>
> I don't like upper case words being hurled at me in the way that you have
> done.
>
> I dislike Perle -- that should be obvious. I have a great admiration for
> many Jews -- particularly the Ashkenazi Jews from central Europe who have
> not only survived great suffering and persecution but have also produced a
> great proportion of the best ideas of the modern world.
>
> A Jew helped me once in a time of great distress and at his great cost out
> of a sense of justice. Most of his family died at Auswitch. I will always
> be grateful for his help.
>
> I would request your apology when you have read my posting more carefully.
> Then you and I can resume sensible discussion.
>
> Keith Hudson
>
>
>
> At 12:13 17/03/03 +0200, you wrote:
> >Keith, was this supposed to be a rational analysis of the right-wing
agenda
> >that is pushing Bush and, by the way, several hundred thousand American
> >soldiers into a deliberately planned war for oil and power over the
entire
> >continent of Asia? Since when does knowledge of details, knowledge of
how
> >to manipulate the body, and where to register for a college education
come
> >to people through genes? And presumably genes that by some miracle of
> >skipping seas and generations, they have in common with the current
> >right-wing Israeli government? Obviously you have an insight that goes
far
> >beyond that.
> >
> >YOUR COMMUNICATION IS A DEMONSTRATION OF SOMETHING I HAVE ALWAYS DOUBTED
> >EXISTED - A VIVID AND VITRIOLIC TRANSLATION OF A POLITICAL ARGUMENT INTO
> >RABID ANTI-SEMITISM.
> >
> >WILL YOU MAKE THE SAME KIND OF ARGUMENTS IF AND WHEN BUSH & CO DECIDE TO
> >INVADE NORTH KOREA? APPARENTLY IMMIGRANTS FROM THE FAR EAST TO THE US
ALSO
> >HAVE DANGEROUS GENES. AND CONSIDERING THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT THEIR GENES
> >DIRECTLY TO THE STATES, THEY WILL BE IN AN EVEN MORE VULNERABLE POSITION.
> >
> >Devorah
> >
> >
> >
> >Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc.
> >Faculty of Education
> >University of Haifa
> >Haifa, Israel 31905
> >Tel.: +972-4-8249357
> >Fax: +972-4-8240911
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Additional phone:
> >+972-4-8123605
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:41 AM
> >Subject: [Futurework] Perle's body language, etc (was: It's the
> >testosterone)
> >
> >
> >> Hi Lawry,
> >>
> >> At 15:55 16/03/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Keith -- I missed the debate you refer to. Can you comment on how
Perle
> >> >handled himself? Energy and body language?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >L
> >>
> >> Ah! Interesting question! Since he's emerged from the mist, I've been
> >> thinking a great deal about Perle recently. David Dimbleby's TV
programmes
> >> in the last two/three weeks concerning Iraq have exhibited some of the
> >> highest level debate that you're likely to find on TV. On two occasions
on
> >> ITV (60 and 90 minute programmes) and one on BBC (60 minute programme),
> >> Perle has been the main protagonist speaking (long-distance video) from
> >> America while the expert platform interlocutors (except for Dimbleby
> >> himself) have been different at this end in each programme. I might
also
> >> say that a great deal of care must have gone into the selection of the
> >> studio audiences. As far as I could judge, the most recent one fairly
> >> represented the 60/40 (No/Yes) split in England. There were also
several
> >> brilliant expert speakers seated on the front row of the audience.
Perle
> >> was equal to any of them, audience or platform, except on a couple of
> >> occasions (more later).
> >>
> >> (Incidentally, let me illustrate my comment from yesterday about the
> >> "testosterone effect". A week ago, the opposition to Blair's support
for
> >> Bush was at around 65% in this country. A YouGov (Internet-based) poll
> >from
> >> couple of days ago gave a 60/40 split. During yesterday's Dimbleby
> >> programme, a phone-in vote gave a 55/45 split. I think if a poll were
> >taken
> >> later on today or tomorrow morning [assuming that Bush declares war
then]
> >I
> >> would guess that a poll would show a 50/50 or even a 45/55 split in
favour
> >> of war. This rapidly shifting opinion of about 20% is due, to my mind,
to
> >> the credulous portion of the male population who are now being carried
> >away
> >> by the excitement of events. However, I think this trend will reverse
> >> itself when women start expressing themselves more forcefully in the
> >coming
> >> weeks if there are large/gruesome fatalities among the Iraqi
civilians.)
> >>
> >> (And now may I diverge just one more time before I discuss Perle in
> >> particular? Here's a little bit about the neuropsychology of body
> >language.
> >> Most people are now aware that an individual being questioned will give
> >> away his state of stress by involuntary movements. For example, TV
> >> camerapeople have long ago cottoned onto this by giving shots of
> >> interlocutors' bobbing foot movements when individuals are lying -- or
the
> >> darting hand scratching the back of the head, or ears, or nose. What is
> >not
> >> widely known, though, is that the motor strip of the brain which
transmits
> >> muscle movement commands [both voluntary and involuntary] is far from
> >being
> >> proportionate to the layout of the body. In short, there are relatively
> >few
> >> nerves running to and from most of the body -- feet, back, legs, arms,
etc
> >> -- but a very large number from the face (particularly in and around
the
> >> mouth) and hands (particularly fingertips). In terms of numbers of
brain
> >> cells involved, the nerve control (or lack of control under stress) of
the
> >> mouth and fingers comprise 45% of all body movements. Thus, if you want
to
> >> relax, it is stupid and time-consuming to go through all the systematic
> >> procedures that physiotherapists tell you to do [usually starting with
> >> one's toes -- which have hardly any nerve endings!]. You can
short-circuit
> >> the whole tedious business by allowing one's mouth, lips and tongue to
> >> relax [when your mouth will moisten slightly] and one's fingers and
> >> fingertips. You can achieve mental relaxation in two or three seconds
> >flat.
> >> Conversely, get those two areas under control and you're in charge, and
> >not
> >> the interlocutor. Believe me, Perle knows this well!)
> >>
> >> Perle faces the camera directly with his elbows on a suitable level of
> >desk
> >> or table, his forearms flat and one palm resting upon the other. You
can
> >> see nothing else. His hands never move. His face is almost immobile.
His
> >> mouth is relaxed, almost smiling when he's not talking. He is in
perfect
> >> control. The other interesting feature of Perle under questioning is
that
> >> he always delays his replies. There's a perceptible delay of about two
or
> >> three seconds before replying to any question, tricky or otherwise
(after
> >> all, how does one know whether a simple question might not be tricky
until
> >> it's examined carefully!). This mode of response is very rare among
> >> intellectuals (and is not usually necessary) because they usually
fire-off
> >> replies quicker than the average person ('cos their brains are faster)
but
> >> this can get them into trouble quite often. (The ex-UK-UN ambassador I
> >> mentioned yesterday had also acquired this habit of delayed responses.)
> >> This may seem a trivial piece of behaviour but it's extremely important
> >> because a delay dampens down one's immediate emotional reaction and
allows
> >> sufficient time for rationalisation.
> >>
> >> So there you are! I have never seen anyone on TV who's under such
control.
> >> Perle seems perfectly relaxed. He smiles fairly frequently -- butter
> >> wouldn't melt in his mouth. His voice is always well modulated. I saw
only
> >> two brief instances where Dimbleby on one occasion and the
ex-ambassador
> >on
> >> another seemed to break through Perle's facial control -- revealing
> >> ultra-rapid flashes of anxiety which soon passed into blandness.
> >>
> >> The only way I thought I could something of the real Perle and what his
> >> deeper underlying agenda might be was when he dealt with two other
matters
> >> which were thrown at him quite aggressively -- oil and Israel. Very
> >briefly
> >> (after the usual delay!) he cheerfully said that "Iraq's resources" (he
> >> didn't use the oil word!) would, "of course, come under the control of
a
> >> new Iraqi government" (friendly to the US one assumes!), and "of
course",
> >> the matter of a Palestinian State would have to be considered soon. He
> >> moved onto the main theme very quickly after giving both of these
> >> responses. I thought that these glissades were cleverly done and
extremely
> >> significant.
> >>
> >> I am, as you know, prejudiced on the oil issue, because I have thought
> >that
> >> this has been the main motivation for the new war against Saddam almost
> >> from the beginning. However, I have tended to pooh-pooh the idea that
> >there
> >> might be an American-Jewish conspiracy involved -- which some are
> >> maintaining. After all, there are as many Jewish-American
intellectuals
> >> who speak out against the war (if not more) as in favour. However, in
the
> >> way Perle dealt with the Israeli question on the last Dimbleby
programme,
> >I
> >> detected more than a whiff that a Jewish motivation is also involved
among
> >> the group that is manipulating Bush -- Perle himself, of course, but
also
> >> Wolfovitch and Rumsfeld. There's also a speech-writer called Feith who
> >went
> >> with Bush to the Azores and seems very influential -- much more than
Colin
> >> Powell. I don't know whether he has Ashkenazi genes, but I wouldn't be
> >> surprised.
> >>
> >> I don't believe for one moment that there is a well-defined
> >Jewish-American
> >> conspiracy, but Ashkenazi genes must feature very strongly in any
American
> >> administration simply because their IQ is so much higher than the
average
> >> European/American white and a million or two of them came from Poland
and
> >> central Russia a century ago. After all, 50% of those entering Harvard
> >> University (to choose one university) on the basis of SATS tests are
> >> Jewish-Americans and East Asian-Americans -- 5% of the American
> >population.
> >> (Non-Jewish-American whites, comprising 75% of the population, get only
> >25%
> >> of Harvard slots.)
> >>
> >> I seem to remember from somewhere that Bush Junior's SATS result was
about
> >> 660. I would think that Perle's score was probably double that. I'd
love
> >to
> >> know. The concept of the IQ of individuals, while useful for job
selection
> >> in many cases, is useless in the case of those of the highest grade of
> >> intelligence because they are at, or above, the IQ of those who concoct
IQ
> >> tests. Suffice it to say that it is my opinion, for what it is worth,
that
> >> Perle's intelligence (and control of body language!) is of the very
> >highest
> >> grade and it would be a formidable intellectual exercise to debate with
> >him
> >> for any length of time.
> >>
> >> Keith Hudson
>
>
>
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