Not to mention the problems of supporting multiple versions of Log4j. But I really think this discussion belongs in the commons-dev mail list. Ceki is making criticisms against an API etc, that really should be taken up in the appropriate forum.
On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 20:13, Scott Sanders wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > I never suspected (nor suggested) that commons-logging effort > > was dishonorable in any way. My contention is that it will > > make life harder not easier. Nothing more, nothing less. > > > > I think it may make life harder for the commons, Log4J, and LogKit teams, but I have >already seen it make life easier for users of jakarta products. Digester used to >have its own configuration mechanism, and it used to System.out.println() all >*logging* information. Try using that in a server framework and see how fast you get >angry when everything else uses Log4J. > > OK, so if Digester uses Log4J, now see how fast all the LogKit zealots will refuse >to use it. Commons-logging was a way to plug into logging frameworks without >dictating any of them. The main point IMHO was to remove System.out.println() calls. > It happened to end up usefully wrapping all logging impls IMHO. That is a win for >everyone. > > If we have problems with interoperability (and we will), we fix them. Yes, someone >has to ultimately dictate the logger to use. As a commons developer, I do not want >to force that choice onto anyone. Let them decide. > > Scott Sanders > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
