On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:39:15AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote

> Bit I think you're missing the point. These are DEFAULTS, if you
> really don't want any unnecessary GNOME packages installed, you
> should be specifically including -gnome in /etc/make.conf.

  The point which I'm trying to make, and everybody else seems to be
missing, is that *THE DEFAULTS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING UNDER OUR FEET*.
Several weeks ago, I didn't have to put -gnome in USE in /etc/make.conf.
Now I do.  Several months ago, I didn't have to put -ipv6 in USE.  Now I
do.  What's going to be added to the defaults next week or next month?
I don't like the idea of an "anti-USE definition" that needs constant
checking and updating like a Windows anti-virus definition.  Here's what
/usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/make.defaults has accumulated
over the years to date...

USE="alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts crypt cups emboss encode fortran 
foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad 
mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ncurses nls oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl png 
python qt quicktime readline sdl spell ssl tcpd truetype truetype-fonts 
type1-fonts X xml2 xmms xv zlib"

  Is all this *REALLY* necessary, folks?  Now we know why people trying
to build a minimal Gentoo have problems cutting it down to size.  There
is mention of a use.mask file in man and on Gentoo, but that gets
overwritten too.  The ideal solution would be "-*" followed by just the
flags that I want in /etc/make.conf.  Is that syntax legal?

  Another question, does GRP_STAGE23_USE apply to stage 2 and 3 for all
users, including those who started with stage 1?

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