On Friday 09 Sep 2011 12:35:47 Alex Schuster wrote: > Dale writes: > > Wow, what a big thread. While I also do not really like udev > requiring /usr at boot time, I also understand that there are some > arguments pro doing so. > But then, I wonder what the big deal is. If an initramfs is now required > for people using a separate /usr, then let's all use an initramfs, if we > can't change how udev is going. It's annoying, we may feel it is wrong, > but to me it seems that for most of us it is not a really big problem. > What I fear much more is when good old grub is no longer supported and I > have to use grub2, which I tried to understand, but failed. > > > My choices are: > > > > 1: move from Gentoo to something else. I'm seriously considering this > > one. If I can learn Gentoo, I can learn any distro! LFS may be > > excluded tho. > > So, because you want to avoid to change your Gentoo installation to use > an initramfs, you switch to another distribution, which most likely uses > an initramfs anayway? > > > 2: Stick with Gentoo and hope this is corrected like hal was dealt with. > > 2b: Go with LVM for everything and have a init* to boot. > > LVM is great and I suggest everyone using it, but it's not necessary here. > > > 2c: Move /usr and use init* with no LVM. > > If you can extend you root partition, yes, just copy /usr there, and all > will be fine. > > > 2d: Just redo my whole system with a larger / partition. > > Which would be a lot of work. > > Personally I do not care much about this, as I already am using an > initramfs :) That's because all my partitions are encrypted LVM volumes. > Except for /boot, which is on on USB stick. > > When I switched to using an initramfs, it was not very complicated. I > simply use genkernel. With CLEAN="no" and MRPROPER="no", it uses my > /usr/src/linux/.config and does not change the kernel options. Then comes > genkernel --install --lvm -luks all, and I have kernel and initramfs in > /boot. I manually add them to my grub.conf. emerge @module-rebuild, and > I'm done. I guess for most of us this would work. I don't know what > Michael has to do in order to keep nvidia-drivers instead of nouveau, but > I assume some howto or new item will come up to solve this. Whenever > Gentoo had us to do major changes, there was a good explanation of what to > do, and it worked fine. Migration to openrc was more complicated I think. > And hey, I was satisfied with the way it's been before. > > > I liked my original plan better. > > > > 1: Go to boot runlevel. > > 2: Mount what will be new /usr partition to some mount point. > > 3: Copy /usr to the new partition > > 4: rm the old /usr data. > > 5: Mount the new /usr partition and add it to fstab > > 6: Switch back to default runlevel and life goes on. > > I don't get this one. Why do you want to copy an existing /usr partition > to another one? > > > Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse > > it sounds. I can't even imagine someone who runs some large server. > > Any hair left? lol > > Yes, I also feel sorry for guys like Alan. But for us desktop users > I think's it's not such a big deal.
It's not a catastrophically big deal, but it is an imposed workaround that goes against the freedom of choice that we gentoo-ers have enjoyed hitherto. It also seems counter-intuitive that udev devs' convenience should take primacy over the FHS convention and the prevailing minimal booting process. It will only affect one out of three boxen of mine and I could surely fix that, but I am against restricting unquestioningly what I can do with gentoo, just because a udev coder didn't think it through enough to come up with a smarter solution; and then the Gentoo devs did not put up a fight in representing their user base. It's a point of principle and on this basis I'd like to object to it, not for a poxy little box which I can reconfigure one day if I must. -- Regards, Mick
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