Am Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:41:50 +0100 schrieb lee <l...@yagibdah.de>: > Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> writes: > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:49:54 +0100, lee wrote: > > > >> > I wonder if the OP is using systemd and trying to read the journal > >> > files? > >> > >> Nooo, I hate systemd ... > >> > >> What good are log files you can't read? > > > > You can't read syslog-ng log files without some reading software, usually > > a combination of cat, grep and less. systemd does it all with journalctl. > > > > There are good reasons to not use systemd, this isn't one of them. > > To me it is one of the good reasons, and an important one. Plain text > can usually always be read without further ado, be it from rescue > systems you booted or with software available on different operating > systems. It can be also be processed with scripts and sent as email. > You can probably even read it on your cell phone. You can still read > log files that were created 20 years ago when they are plain text. > > Can you do all that with the binary files created by systemd? I can't > even read them on a working system.
What Canek and Rich already said is good, but I'll just add this: it's not like you can't run a classic syslog implementation alongside the systemd journal. On my systems, by *default*, syslog-ng kept working as usual, getting the logs from the systemd journal. If you want to go further, you can even configure the journal to not store logs permanently, so that you *only* end up with plain-text logs on your system (Duncan on gentoo-amd64 went this way). So no, the format that the systemd journal uses is most decidedly *not* a reason against using systemd. Personally, I'm probably going to uninstall syslog-ng, because journalctl is *such* a nice way to read logs, so why run something whose output I'll never read again? I recommend reading http://0pointer.net/blog/projects/journalctl.html for examples of the kind of stuff you can do that would be cumbersome, if not *impossible* with regular syslog. HTH -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
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